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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, I said people are being duped into debating by bigots. This is about politics, not sports.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a strawman.

You are saying that people do not reach that conclusion on their own.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Has Domi pointed out elsewhere in this thread. There is no evidence that transgender women have a physical advantage over cisgender women, provided they've been on HRT for 2+ years. here's the meta-analysis they linked

So yeah, based off of:

It shouldn't, but it does. As a matter of what is statistically relevant about the dichotomy between males and females.

You're either a bigot trying to use sports to hurt trans people, or you've been duped by bigots. So, unless you're made of straw Qevlarr isn't using a straw man argument.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

This systematic review aligns with previous ones in highlighting critical research limitations. This includes the typically short study durations (<3 years) and a lack of data on elite athletes.

So we aren't talking about Olympic tier athletes.

Also, the authors themselves acknowledge the evidence quality sits between very low and low

For what it's worth, I don't give a shit about "fairness" in sports. What I am pushing back on is the insinuation that people are either malicious or manipulated if they don't accept the assertion that trans women do not have a competitive advantage.

At best, it's uncharitable, and at worst, it a litmus test.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, I don't give a shit about "fairness" in sports.

Then why the fuck are you even in this discussion, arguing with people trying to defend a highly marginalised section of the community?

If you "don't care", then dropping it so as to not be part of the active exclusion of trans people would be the appropriate move.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 18 hours ago

Then why the fuck are you even in this discussion?

Because I believe what I'm saying is important?

Whatever point you think I'm making, I'm not. I absolutely believe trans athletes should be capable of competing in whatever gender sports category they want, provided they are within range of their fellow athletes.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool, I'll check it out, but the claim is still a strawman.

I'm a vegan. When i see people eating beef, I don't claim "either you like hurting cows, or you've been duped by people who hate animals".

The claim itself is stupid and needlessly inflammatory.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a vegan. When i see people eating beef, I don't claim "either you like hurting cows, or you've been duped by people who hate animals".

I'm not a vegan or even a vegetarian, but I wouldn't argue with you if you made that claim, because the only reason we as a society eat as much meat as we do, is because it's normalised at every level for economic reasons.

If I can manage that, you can manage to not argue with trans people trying to deal with the active and ongoing exclusion they face.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Here's the issue though:

I don’t claim “either you like hurting cows, or you’ve been duped by people who hate animals”

The claim itself is a strawman, the fact that you are willing to accept it means your epistemology is bad.