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I'm just holding everyone who voted for trump in 24 responsible. By that stage nobody could legitimately claim ignorance, they knew what they were doing.
The majority of them don't care about politics, they just always vote red because they always do and their families have convinced them Democrats are evil.
The majority of Americans are very dumb and have no self worth, so it helps them to attach their identity to someone else with power. That's why so many horrible celebrities and athletes are famous and also the reason they like trump so much.
No point in trying to talk to them, they are honestly too stupid to understand.
Agreed. Heard a quote a while back, don't remember it verbatim but it was something along the lines of "there's no point in trying to make someone understand when they've already made up their mind to not understand." Makes a lot of sense, and having that mindset saves a lot of frustration. Doesn't matter how many facts you shove in their faces, they're not going to change their minds.
I suspect that a majority of those who voted for Bush (both of them), also voted for Trump; and a majority of those who voted for Trump will vote for a Republican president who will be about as stupid, pro-billionaire, anti-Freedom, and pro-war as Bush and Trump were/was/is.
I agree with you, but that's 77 million people. How are you gonna hold them responsible? And I ask sincerely, because something's gotta be done with those assholes. I'd accept them just learning from their mistakes and changing their behavior, but, man, I do not see that happening. I hope it does. I hope to god it does, but I'd be lying if I said I was optimistic about it. And if they won't listen to reason, like, what can we do?
...indoctrinated masses are the intended and natural result of their propaganda machine; you don't redress readily-manipulated people by punishing or culling them, you do so by snuffing their propaganda and educating the population...
...the elephant in the room is freedom of communication...
I certainly didn't mean to imply that we should do that. I definitely don't think we should.
Yeah, but education can't be imposed on people. Not without violence and repression, anyway. They have to be willing to learn, and the Trump supporters I know are some of the most defiantly, proudly ignorant and misinformed people I've ever known.
But maybe the right leader could change that. I don't know.
That's the big question for greater minds than my own. There was a time not too long ago when it was almost universally agreed that fascist authoritarianism and genocide were horrible, and people who subscribed to those ideals did so secretly because it was shameful. Now there are proud supporters of Nazism, and people being openly racist, bigoted, and hateful. Getting our society back to the point where those people at least hid in shame would be a good start. Of course it doesn't make it go away, as we're seeing right now, but there is no way to truly eradicate this type of thinking. As you said, you can't forcibly educate those who are resistant to it, and anything beyond that gets into "thought police" territory.
I don't know what sort of societal engineering that would take, or who would be in charge of it. I think we were all kind of relying on the fact that most people are overall inherently decent enough to instinctively oppose that kind of shit, but it turns out we were wrong.
Denaturalize them. They were cool doing it to others so let them experience the same.
Serious answers only, please.
Oh I’m serious as a heart attack. If we get through this those fuckers need to pay dearly.
Yeah how the fuck are you seriously proposing deporting tens of millions of people. How could that ever possibly happen
Don't be a clown
Concentration camps. They conveniently already built them.
What's the sentence, your honor?
My eternal contempt and loathing.
Follow this same logic and apply it to the 2020 election and the Palestinian genocide and I'm on board with you.
At the end of the day. All Americans are responsible for the crimes of this country regardless of who you voted for. We all allow the war machine to keep bombing brown kids thousands of miles away and have the nerve to call ourselves a "Democracy" and start to care about the crimes of the president only when we can use it to distance ourselves from them. "I didn't vote for them" becomes "Israel has a right to defend itself" or "Iran actually was gonna nuke us" when the guy you voted for is in office.
But, go ahead, explain to me how much worse Iran is than Gaza. How the war machine doesn't keep on pumping no matter who you vote for. Is it because gas prices didn't go up during THAT slaughter of children?
Edit: Lots of downvotes with no responses. Sorry reality made you feel bad.
I do. In fact, I have very little forgiveness for anyone who was stupid or shitty enough to even vote for him in 16. Pretty much anyone who has voted republican since the tea party got loud gets no respect from me. What happened, and is still happening, in Gaza, as well as the international response to it, is disgusting and shameful to our entire species. But one could make the case that standing impotently by while a country you support commits atrocities is still different from jumping in at the start to commit those atricites yourself on behalf of that country.