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Donald Trump erupted at the United Kingdom Tuesday morning over its refusal to join the United States in its war against Iran, issuing the European nation a notice that the United States would no longer be offering it “help.”

“All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT,” Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social.

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Because it went great for the Roman Empire when the Praetorian Guard were the ones choosing the Emperor. You don't really want to open that door.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

There's a difference between a military coup and a rogue secret service agent killing the fuck and turning himself in.

He'd sacrifice his life and be arrested and tried, he'd have Luigi level fanfare (though Luigi didn't do it, obviously) and a clear conscious to help him sleep better at night in prison.

Being not a military coup, it might actually trigger the violent stage of the arguably ongoing civil war, Vance declares martial law and his children and top supporters start calling for the execution of everyone who ever condemned him as retribution.

The current collapse of the US empire is fast, but it sure as fuck can accelerate. People who think Trump dying solves all problems are heavily over indexing on him as the singular bad guy, he's just a loud symptom of a nasty disease.

[–] guy@piefed.social 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The US has tried assassination of it's presidents twice already. No matter the lunatic in charge murdering democratically elected leaders is not the way. There are mechanisms to pursue Trump that should be used.

So it wouldn't have been right to kill Hitler even though he took dictatorial control? It can easily be argued that once a democratically elected leader moves to nullify elections, purges non political government positions, and starts to ignore the authority of other elected positions, that their contract as a democratic leader is null and void. We're already there with Trump on all accounts. Him starting a war without congressional approval should make it obvious that he will take every shred of power the other branches have left given enough time. His position isn't the only one we vote on, but he will ensure that no other result matters.

Besides, he plans to stay in office until he dies, and if he corrupts the military with enough loyalists by 2028, he'll succeed. The only mechanism to remove him will be him dying and hoping his replacements are too weak to maintain the grift. I don't say this as a call to action, but a statement of fact.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

There's a lot of rot, but they've been depending on a cluster of personality. Those often collapse when the personality dies without a sucessor with popular support, which requires the cult leader to groom the public to their sucessor.

The thing with Trump is he has too much ego for that, and Vance doesn't have the loyalty of the MAGA militant.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 hours ago

I'd expect this will escalate quickly once Vance takes power. He doesn't have the car salesman personality Trump has, and I don't think he'll maintain the MAGA following but Peter Thiel put him there for a reason. Vance will have to speed it up.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

Right, which is why they would kick it up a 100 noches. Once he's gone, they'll use everything in their power to remain in power, they won't just go away silently.

Vance doesn't have the loyalty, which is why Trump's kids will rile them up on the idea of revenge, they won't be fighting for cancer, they'll be fighting for Trump "alongside" Vance.

Democrats will condemn the violence of the assassin, they'll call for unity and give long eulogies for Trump, they'll say it's time to unite and denounce violence. Slowly, Vance will become the new figure head, or be replaced through a coup if unable, but the power won't change. The coup won't come from opposition, it'll come from within.

History gives us plenty of cases where killing the strongman did not end the system. Caesar’s murder helped trigger civil war and an “avenge the leader” politics. https://www.history.com/articles/julius-caesar-assassination-fall-roman-republic

Park Chung-hee’s assassination opened a succession crisis that Chun Doo-hwan used for an internal coup under martial law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_South_Korean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Trujillo’s killing did not kill the machine, his family and loyalists tried to preserve it amid chaos. Indira Gandhi’s assassination becme a pretext for mass revenge on a broader population. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v05mSupp/dr_d21

So yes, cult regimes are vulnerable when the central personality dies, but that vulnerability often shows up first as repression, martyrdom, and a fight inside the ruling group, not a clean collapse.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I mean... the first instance of that was replacing Caligula with Claudius. It just kinda went south after that.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Did Claudius also fuck couches?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Claudius wasn't 2nd in command. He was way down the list.

And the first thing he did as emperor was execute some of the Praetorians for being overzealous when cleaning house.