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I am amazed that so many people lack so much self-respect that they're willing to allow themselves to be abused by websites like that
Sometimes it's just a desperation for social contact, or an inflexibility to handle change (the inertia factor)
But they can come to Lemmy or Mastodon for that. They're not beholden to corporations but they refuse to leave.
They're like domestic violence victims. Why don't they just leave?
Because there are nowhere near enough cats on lemmy. No. Where. Near.
Gimme them beans and whiskeys!
I thought there already were animal subs on here.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !aww@lemmy.world, !cat@lemmy.world, !aww@lemmy.ml, !dogs@lemmy.world, !animals@beehaw.org, !animalsbeingderps@lemmy.world
You're not wrong with the choices available, you just not fully considering the inertia factor to change, or to leave their old friends behind, especially if they do not move as well.
You mean the very same factors we easily dealt with when we came here?
Nah, that's all on them at this point, and any suffering they go through is suffering they bring upon themselves.
Again, not everyone is the same. Where one person may find easy to do another person may find nearly impossible to do.
Life is not digital, it's analog.
Then that's a personality issue they need to resolve, or else they'll be abused and exploited throughout their lives. And that's 100% their responsibility as adults regardless of their issues or what they're going through.
Nobody said it wasn't, just explaining why they may not make the move.
You could have some compassion for them though, instead of quoting the "sucks to be you, the rules are the rules" mindset.
Not everyone is as capable as everyone else, and we should all strive for the win-win scenarios, makes Humanity a nicer place to live in.
One, motte and bailey.
Two: Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them, how about instead you either hold them accountable for their inaction, which is the only thing that will ultimately help them, or let them do what they'll do and move on, respecting the choice they made as human beings?
Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website. They're adults, not invalids, and I daresay you need to stop talking about compassion when you clearly have no clue of what respect is.
Giving advice and demanding something is two very different things.
If you want to be argumentative just for argumentative sake, just say so and I'll leave the conversation.
Tech wise, sure. Socially/emotionally, some yes, some no. Which is the basic point I keep trying to make, and you keep ignoring.
Well, yeah. You're making a demand. You'll quibble about the semantics just so you can deny it, but people like you do this every single time anyone does something they're not supposed to be doing and I am tired of it.
We cannot have a functional society if we do what you are telling us to. Adults are responsible for their actions and we, as a community, have a responsibility to establish standards and expectations upon our people and enforce them. In this case, with us shaking our heads at them, withholding sympathy and compassion for them, and reminding ourselves and each other that we'll suffer just like they do if we do the same stupid shit they're doing.
It's what reasonable adults do and you're not going to convince us to stop being reasonable adults.
If they're not capable of making good decisions for themselves like you want us to believe, then they don't belong on the Internet.
But we don't treat people like invalids because as adults we respect the intelligence of other people. You need to learn to do the same.
No, I'm not. You would definitely know if I was making a demand, there would be no ambiguity involved.
And again, you're avoiding the point I'm trying to make and just being argumentative.
I'm out of here, have a good day.
No, no, I've argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That's a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it's not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists -- I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy -- and you can't see how fucked up what you're doing is.
We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.
We can't have a functional community if we don't.
It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don't have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple "Are you sure that's a good idea?" "You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful" is enough.
You just don't like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that's too bad, it's the truth. We can't all be perfect, but responsibility doesn't ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don't want people to even be held to that.
And that's dangerous, and bad for society.
No, that's not true. I just don't think it should be as a hand-waving justification to tell someone to F off sucks to be you. That's too much of a closed minded approach to the human race.
You're really very sure of yourself of how the person you're arguing against is thinking, and I have news for you, so far, you've been very wrong.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you're approaching this.
You not liking to hear the truth doesn't make it any less true, and you are not doing anyone any good by protecting them from the negative consequences of their actions -- really you're harming them and everyone else. Doing that is destructive and quite frankly abusive.
You're far from the first person who thinks like this I've had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won't be the last. The only thing that snaps people like you out of it is when whoever you're protecting does something blatant and catastrophic, and even then sometimes you won't because you have selfish, underhanded motives for protecting them. In your case, it's likely because you still use some corporate websites and secretly feel offended when confronted with the fact that you're hurting yourself by using their services.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
I've seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
I strive for the truth of things. Only way to resolve conflict peacefully. You've been the one who has shifted the goalposts and attack the messenger, being intellectually dishonest in doing so.
Its not enabling, its not expecting everything to be 100% black and white and only one solution to a problem. Human Beings are never that way.
Carry on Internet Warrior, may your battles all be glorious! (If that's how you want to live your life, more power to you.)
I've seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you're excusing evil. What about it? 🤷 You lack the compassion you demand from others because you're not actually talking about or demanding compassion; you're just trying to manipulate the emotions of everyone around you to save terrible people from consequences, denying them the chance to experience reality for what it is and learn from their mistakes, and abusing everyone else.
You ought to learn compassion for literally everyone else around you, and accept that not everyone has to feel compassion for everyone. Humans withhold compassion and empathy based on behavior and we do that so that we're able to enforce rules and expectations in our communities, to protect the people we love and care about, to maintain boundaries. But you don't care about that because all you care about is yourself.
Even the weird false dichotomy of simple vs. complex you paint -- another terrible cliche from your camp -- does this. A lot of things in life are that simple, and a situation being complex doesn't change the fact that what someone's doing is wrong and that they need to be held accountable for it. Accountability, responsibility and decency mean more than that.
There's nothing complex about some idiot who keeps using Reddit despite the act being contrary to their best interest just like there's nothing complex about some rapist raping others. Yet you use the same excuses with both. You've even done it in regards to child killers. I've seen your camp do it on Lemmy with my own two eyes.
What you're trying to do is subtly imply that we cannot trust our own judgement or come to a conclusion you don't want us to come to -- that the remaining Reddit users are just idiots, in this case -- and you're not going to get what you want. They objectively are idiots and that's a fact regardless of how anybody feels about it.
We're not obligated to ignore facts because doing so inconveniences or threatens you.
Stop lying.
Come back when you have some actual integrity. And stop defending stupid people.
Again, you're assuming facts not in evidence. You know nothing about me but you're completely confident in judging me inadequate/wanting and knowing you're 100% right in doing so, again, all without knowing me, a stranger across the Internet whom you have never met.
All I ever avocated for in this conversation was a variance, not an either/or. You're the one who has been channeling your anger and life view into the conversation, and insisting on a "your way or the highway" approach (aka "F off, sucks to be you"), which from what I've seen makes me honestly worried about you, not that you'd care, because I'm using compassion to worry about you. You can't be happy living like that long term.
At this point I don't think its worth us discussing any more, we've come to an impasse. We'll leave it at agree to disagree.
Take care of yourself, you are the only you there is.
No, you're going along with the enabler's playbook quite smoothly. Right now, all you've got are cheap ad-homs so you're going after my confidence, life experience, and my emotions like what people like you always do to anyone who calls you out because you're wrong and you just want to win something. Well, you're not winning the argument. You lose. Get over it.
Again, you might not like hearing the truth but it doesn't stop being the truth just because you don't want to hear it. The remaining Reddit users are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. They're staying on a website that has done nothing but shit on its users throughout the year. They're allowing themselves to be subjected to a social credit score to have access to the site knowing damn well they could come here and get most of the positive benefits of Reddit without any of the drawbacks. Refusing to take advantage of alternatives and continuing to stay on an abusive website is stupid as fucking hell and you know it. There is no disputing that. It's as indisputable as 2 + 2 = 4.
Yet here you are, not wanting to admit it because you know that the remaining Reddit users, regular people, are harming themselves and you don't believe regular people should ever be held accountable for anything, only corporations. Well, the only way Reddit is able to continue functioning is because of those regular people. We're the ones who buy and consume shit from those organizations. We're the ones feeding those beasts and it's way, WAY past time for us as regular people to face the fact that we're culpable for the monstrously idiotic shit they've been doing, including and especially Reddit.
All human beings have the core obligation to take responsibility for their own actions and you are denying that core obligation because you don't want it to be true. That's entirely a you problem. Really an enabler problem throughout our culture.
People like you, man 🤦🤦🤦
Yeah but we fit in here because the communities that already exist suit us, half of all is Linux memes and most the rest is tech news - pretty much what my Reddit was, most people won't have that
It's growing and developing so I think we'll keep bleeding off Reddit users and establishing a broader community