That Tencent investment money is coming home to roost.
Archived link so we're not sending any traffic Reddit's way.
I love the "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" admin response downthread, too. They've really gone full mask-off over there, haven't they?
They have their own happy cheering crowd, so nothing to worry about from their pov.
They've also done some fuckery with the downvotes. I noticed that right around the time of the mass exodus, certain comments could not be downvoted lower than zero, and posts could not be downvoted lower than some percentage in the teens (14% or 12% upvoted, something like that). Even Spez's infamous town hall post where he laid all that shit on Christian Selig in June, which was literally getting downvotes in the thousands, never went below some teen percent upvoted, when in reality it had to be far fewer.
I got the same impression looking through the above post as well: lots of people disagreeing with the admin (who disappeared VERY quickly when asked anything of substance) but they somehow seemed to maintain a vote count in the single digits anyway.
I could be wrong about this second point, I haven't been there in a while, but the first one I'd swear to: check it out on old Reddit if you're interested.
Back when I used to mod Reddit, starting maybe a year or so ago we'd occasionally get users who would be inexplicably targeted by the auto-filter.
The accounts weren't new, weren't shadowbanned, weren't using any filter-triggering words (that I could guess at), and an examination via Pushshift didn't reveal any kind of spammy behavior. Nonetheless, their posts would get silently removed by the site-wide filter, and frequently we wouldn't even know until they modmailed us.
Now I can't help but wonder if this was a result of a beta-test of something like this. Something they had done had invisibly lowered their "Reddit credit", leaving us as confused as them.
I mentioned lemmy in a comment reply 6 months or so ago, and it very obviously had an effect on my account. Akin to a shadowban but not quiet. I think they've been doing this for a while. It's just public info now...
I got verified as a webcomic creator on r/funny long ago, and over the years it’s been a 50/50 shot whether my original content would get removed by an autofilter, at which point I would reach out to a mod, at which point my submission would maybe be restored hours after I submitted it, with no chance of getting any actual visibility because it never had a real chance when sorting by “new. “
Sometimes a mod tells me I can resubmit, but the timing of a submission matters, and if you’re outside of a good timeslot when you get permission to resubmit, it means less of a chance your submission will do well.
But if you risk waiting for another day, there’s no guarantee it won’t just happen again, and the mod that gave you permission to resubmit might not be working that day, and then you run the risk of some other mod thinking you’re a spammer, and you having to work it out again with them at the risk of a ban.
EDIT: According to at least one measure, my credit under this new system isn’t bad at all, so I’m without explanation for why this keeps happening.
We’ve heard from you that dealing with spam is taking up more of your time, so the goal of this update is to help catch spammy and abusive users at a faster rate so that you can spend more time engaging with your communities and redditing.
So instead of restoring the tools the mods originally had that helped control spam effectively, reddit is rolling out their own 'tools' that will undoubtedly be less accessible, harder to use, and only available in one specific way. Because fuck everyone who isn't a reddit admin.
it's sad to see reddit decay like this. 10 years ago it was amazing, and it's been a slow decent from then to now.
I think it's about time to finally leave Reddit. I've been there for almost 15 years and I just got my first permanent ban from a legal advice sub for one single comment. I'm not sure what I said wrong because I never use inflammatory language. Oh well, I already left Twitter, time to bail on Reddit too.
I got banned from star trek for asking about people's view of worf and discussing his character, there was some rule against opinion pieces, I appealed saying it was a discussion and not an opinion piece and that people were taking part. The mod made the bán permanent and highlighted the part of the post with my opinion in it and said case closed. I told him he wasn't a good mod that I was trying to discuss something and gave my view and that this heavy handed approach is bullshit. The following day I got a permanent ban sitewide. No explanation. Googled the message content and apparently it was an issue with a lot of people getting the same treatment.
And I've already seen comments that it's not available in the official Reddit app. Shocking (/s if that wasn't obvious.)
It is much easier to control a score. Karma completely depends on user arbitrary choices. Scores are optimized to satisfy reddit KPIs
Hahahaaha wait, so like, they’re basically applying something that sounds an awful fucking lot like the CCP’s social credit score thingy to all of Reddit’s user data and metadata…?
Jesus tapdancing christ. I’m happier by the day since I bailed on Reddit.
Spez: Bad news. The money guys say the IPO projections are cratering. We need to do something.
The one admin who still cares: Maybe we should try to walk back some of the stuff we’ve been…
Spez: SECRET INTERNET POINTS THAT ONLY WE CAN SEE!
Admin: …
They already have this. I was denied a request for an abandoned subreddit because my social credit score was too low (effectively).
The new "Social Creddit Score"
If I may suggest. Cross post Lemmy posts to Reddit. Even in the apps you can share the url to a post. Time to make those being abused on Reddit aware there is another place for them.
That assumes a Lemmy link doesn't just instantly get you shadowbanned
This will certainly go extremely well for Reddit. I see no problems here. Now move along.
Most of us already have:-P
Credit scores?
Like China’s social credit system?
And reddit is owned by a Chinese company?
Huh.
Like China’s social credit system?
or just like... credit scores... ppl act like china invented the dystopian social credit system but the US has been doing it since the 90s..
China:
where every citizen will be scored based on their behavior. Good actions, like volunteering, and bad, like littering, are tracked using algorithms, artificial intelligence and facial recognition — and there are real consequences for a high or low score.
Really? Does your bank change your credit score if you’re a good boy? Your credit card company if you volunteer? Your home loan company give you a better rate if you make a viral tiktok video showing how great the United States are?
No? Of course not. Because they’re absolutely not the same thing.
Credit scores need to go away too, but if you are unironically comparing a credit score with what China is doing, you are either extremely naive or extremely biased.
The Karma system was a credit score system from the start. Why is everyone surprised Reddit is acting like reddit.
So the number itself for a specific user cannot be seen except by admins, but moderators can use the field in concert with AutoMod to have AutoMod take actions based on its value.
Considering how much Huffman likes to do manual overrides on things that Reddit The Company claims are done algorithmically, this is just an autocratic way to tune the content of the site to Huffman's preference.
"Fuck u/spez" you say? Criticize Huffman's idol Elon Musk? Voice any opinion that Huffman doesn't like? That's a low CQS for you!
You can't directly see your score, but mods can interact with it. Guaranteed tomorrow there will be a dozen subreddits with automod set up to tell people what category their score is.
I am amazed that so many people lack so much self-respect that they're willing to allow themselves to be abused by websites like that
I've always assumed that this is something reddit has behind the scene for shadowbans, but having them admit it in public is some real mask off moment.
Hey, would you look at that? This Lemmy thread is on the first page of Google search results about this.
The response from the subs that have been testing it sound generated!
Reddit's shadow banning is unmatched among social media plateforms
shadowbanning should honestly be illegal, like in one of those EU laws [and ideally overall]. like -- it's legitimately cruel, emotionally and socially, to lie to someone like 'oh yeah everyone can see what you said' and they'll just think they're getting ignored or their thoughts are worthless...that is insane for a simple bullshit posting offense. that's black mirror shit
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