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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by star_wraith@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

I’ve spent the last few years devouring Soviet history. Books, papers, blog posts, podcasts, all of it. I can’t get enough. Not to brag, but I do feel as though I’ve achieved a certain level of understanding about the USSR, its history, and eventual collapse. But I’ve also put the work in.

And yet, whenever I engage people I know IRL or online, I’m amazed by how doggedly people will defend what they just inherently “know”: that the Soviet Union was an evil totalitarian authority dictatorship that killed 100 million of its own people and eventually collapsed because communism never works. None of these people (at least the people I know IRL) have learned anything about Soviet history beyond maybe a couple days of lectures and a textbook chapter in high school history classes. Like, I get that this is the narrative that nearly every American holds in their heads. The fact that people believe this isn’t surprising. But what is a little surprising to me is that, when confronted with a challenge to that narrative from someone they know has always loved history and has bothered to learn more, they dig their heels in and insist they are right and I am wrong.

This isn’t about me, I’m just sharing my experience with this. I’m just amazed at how Americans will be completely ignorant about a topic (not just the USSR) but will be utterly convinced their views on that topic are correct, despite their own lack of investigation into that topic. This is the same country where tens of millions of people think dinosaurs and humans walked around together and will not listen to what any “scientist” has to say about it, after all.

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[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 11 months ago

Someone already posted the brainwashing vs moral licensing essay so I just wanna add that if an American takes an anti-imperialist stance on their history, then they are grievously implicating themselves and everyone they know.

Because if the US hasn't been fighting for freedom all this time, then what does that say about Americans? What does that say about you?

Most Americans prefer to avoid the question and the associated introspection because their lives are distant enough and comfortable enough that they can. Also, everyone understands what resisting the US entails, whether they'll admit it or not, and know to keep their head down or else.

[-] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

Literally going through this right now and having an existential crisis about it doomjak

I don't know how to reconcile all this

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

We are ruled by a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Their crimes are not yours.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

It’s tough to disassociate ourselves from our country. I’m not sure how to do it. Even now I get this gag reflex when people from countries ravaged by the USA announce that they’d gladly commit unlimited genocide on the first world, no matter how much they deserve it.

[-] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

Actually, no one deserves genocide, hope this helps.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Isn't it usually an institutional genocide (kill the leaders) sort of deal?

[-] SpaceDog@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

That would not be a genocide at all

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