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Have you considered it may be you with the obsession, given your fixation on firearms to the complete neglect of the underlying issues of violence?
Not to interrupt what's clearly a rational take in rant form, but logically, one should address the killing rather than quibbling about the implement used.
No idea why so many people think gun are easy to obtain. Who told you that? What's your real-life experience?
I ran with some seriously sketchy people in my youth, hardly ever even saw a gun, let alone one for sale. I've bought 40+ guns and only one did not require a background check and a wait. (Good friend had a new baby, hard up for rent, did it as a favor.)
I have school age children, so I can hardly downplay school shootings, but they're far more rare than the media leads us to believe. Hear about the 4 kids that got smeared off the side of the road in $YourCity yesterday? One thing is national news, the other is not.
Yep, it's harder to kill people with a knife. Also takes a lot more guts to go "wet" vs. pulling a trigger. No arguments. But if I'm defending myself, or another, I'm not interested in less lethal options.
https://imgur.com/a/pR7CuLA
Ah, I see - there are zero differences between the United States and the Aussieland beyond the set of legislative differences regarding firearms and the prevalence of ownership of those firearms.
It's weird that you double-down on only caring these things happen by firearms, apparently encouraging such by knife.
Are firearms what drive people to violent extremes e.g. committing murder, mass or otherwise?
Are mass shootings the only form of homicide?
It's as if you keep reinforcing that you only care that violence is committed with firearms.
Interestingly enough, one of us - and not you - actually cares about addressing the underlying issues.
My solutions are myriad. Violence is a complex problem.
Scoped to mass shootings, it's already fairly well laid-out here.
Regarding general violence, there's much to indicate the actions needed to resolve the high-profile-yet-miniscule-count mass shootings would overlap with general violence and homicide. From there, extend to adding the necessary social safety nets to protect an individual from being exposed to and pressured into such dire extremes.
You know... actually improve lives rather than clutch pearls that those poor souls used firearms in their violence.
LOL, in the same sentence even. Pick one.
And are you the arbiter of my needs? Lay eyes on any apex predators this weekend? I did. Camp on a lonely riverbank far from any sort of civil authority? I did. Bet conservatives have plenty to say about what you do or don't need. Want them to choose for you?
I'm a liberal and have an AR-15 "assault rifle". If it comes to defending my life, or the life of another, you wish for me to have second best? Are you proposing I bring a "knife" (lesser weapon) to a gunfight? You are aware that conservatives, who have been quite vocal about killing political adversaries, are well armed? Who do you wish to disarm? Citizens that obey the law? Because those are the only folks you're going to restrict.
Plenty of other reasons to own an AR-15, but we may be headed towards a time when an American Gestapo is real. Will you be able to fight back when they come knocking? If it's death or concentration camp, I choose fight.
And speaking of my AR, know why I got it? Fellow libs sold it to me! They shit themselves screaming BAN! after Uvalde, figured I'd better get mine in case they got their way. Hell, I had ~30 guns before that, and no interest in an AR. Good job?
While we're at it, if libs would stop screaming for bans of ridiculous things like magazines, maybe they would win every election in a landslide. I suppose your morals are more important than winning. And that's a conservative take if I ever heard one.
This man is talking about you:
https://imgur.com/a/pR7CuLA
I've also had a black bear cruise in my dog door, presumably, according to the regional Fish & Wildlife guy, to eat my pet mini pig. Guess I have no business living on the edge of town?
Also, had to shoot a wild boar that was tearing into my property and terrifying my pet. How, pray tell, would you have dealt with that situation? And keep in mind, the civil authorities all told me, "Not our problem, we don't handle wild pigs, all on you."
So where exactly am I perfectly safe? In the white-bread suburbia where you live with your parents?
And if nothing else, gun laws always have been wildly racist in their origins and enforcement. Bet you're A-OK with all that! (Or more probably, don't know or care.)
Buddy, you said you are a liberal.
Thank god you're one of the actually sane ones, but you should know better than anyone that you are not going to argue a liberal down. Liberals tend to be the most set in their political beliefs.
You will not get anywhere with this argument, take my advice and leave. Take my advice, this happens to me all the time.
And what tools do those people who deal with the threat use to deal with the threat?
Oh look, another confidently incorrect Australian putting their piece into a gun debate.
Australia definitely has not banned civilian firearm ownership.
Very debatable. Letting the government have the monopoly on lethal tools is giving a lot of trust to the people a fairly significant portion of the population consider corrupt.
Considering you think civilians can't have firearms I'd be surprised you even know what people can own in your own country
Americans can't even own (new) assault rifles. AR15's are not assault rifles, and civilians do own them in Australia too, ask me how I know.
They definitely do not have a single purpose, anyone who blindly says this has no idea how huge shooting sports are. In most western countries it's literally the biggest sport participation wise by a huge margin.
Don't need to do that these days, submachine guns are super easy to manufacture at home, rifles and pistols are just around the corner. You'd probably be surprised how many illegal firearms are already out there, the ADF has lost a lot of stuff over the years too.
You can say that about so many more things than firearms, the end use is what always matters though. I'd be able to argue the opposite when shooting sports are the safest sport to participate in, in Australia anyway.