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What do you know, you support unions and unions support you.
The UAW visit by Biden is one of the rare trifecta of savvy political maneuvering+the right thing to do + good for the nation as a whole.
Right thing to do and political motivation aside the "good for the nation as a whole" cannot possibly be understated. We NEED less outsourcing and dependencies on foreign entities. The CHIPS act was a great step and I hope Intel continues with their commitments. We need to ensure similar things happen in the automotive space and beyond.
Do you have any supporting arguments for this? This is the opposite of what I'd like to see.
On a simple matter of logistics it makes sense, simplifies it down a good bit. Also better to not put all your eggs in one basket. Spread out manufacturing and dont rely on a single country or region.
Spreading out manufacturing is the exact opposite of concentrating manufacturing jobs in the US
You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. The US isn't starting out with mostly manufacturing in the US and further concentrating it.
The US currently is far too concentrated in China and bringing more manufacturing back to the US is "spreading it out"
Then diversify away from China, but I see no reason to "bring jobs home." Comparative advantage is a good thing.
The advantage is a diversified economy, we currently have an economy centered around service. Which isnt bad in and of itself but it does create distinct weakness's that shouldn't be allowed to grow too big. Frankly id love a North American equivalent to the EU or atleast the European coal and steel community.
But that still would require a diversity of economy for all of North America. Frankly the world. Needs to relay less on over seas shipping if it can be helped IMO. Rail is optimal and peak cargo transit.
We're a global leader, and an economy that has transitioned to service provides huge benefits to it's citizens. The transition to services provides more wealth and easier labor - I'm all for it.
I love where your heart is on this but you've clearly never shipped by rail
Leaving necessary materials or products exposed to interference by geopolitical adversaries is generally not the best idea.
The answer there is to build more connections, not fewer.
Yeah, because that worked so well for Europe with Russia didn't it?
What? That's the "being heavily dependent on a single rival power" thing
Yep, it's a global community, we need to move towards that slowly, but when people can't stop hating their own countrymen I am not holding my breath for that goal
Not that we have solved the problem of despots and dictators taking over countries either, so it really is a long way to go
And yet so many people who would actually benefit from the collective bargaining power will tell that you unions are bad. Wild how people have been convinced to vote against their own self interests.
See: Reagan Democrat
Too bad Biden only supports unions when it's convenient to him i.e. train workers.
He spent the following weeks negotiating with the rail companies behind the scenes, and eventually got the workers the things they'd demanded initially, including the paid leave.
Where can I find a list of the things he got the rail workers? I tried looking it up but everything is various degrees of outdated.
Go actually research what happened and what Biden actually did not what the propaganda claims.
I mean, back at ya? The IBEW praise posts are basically propaganda. They're a tiny fraction of the rail workers and weren't one of the unions that wanted to strike. They voted to approve the contract with 1 day of leave that was later forced on everyone.
Now go back and actually look at it. Praise posts are not relevant. Look at the actual issues and what was actually done, not what some slanted propaganda wishes you to think about it, just the details.
Ok. The unions wanted 15 days of sick leave, they would have been happy with the 7 most Democrats tried to give them, and Biden got them 4.
And all that ignores that the fundamental issue is that no third party negotiations can substitute for workers being able to choose whether or not to accept a contract and strike if they don't. They could have been given all 15 days (not their only ask) and it would still wouldn't make up for removing their right to refuse a contract and strike. The point of organized labor is having the power to be able to organize and deny your labor so that you can force your boss to give you what you want. They both didn't get what they want and are in a much worse position should they demand more in the future.
"Most unionized US rail workers now have new sick leave" https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/
What else ya' got?
What do you think that has to do with this conversation thread?
It directly contradicts your first claim.
My first claim is: "The unions wanted 15 days of sick leave, they would have been happy with the 7 most Democrats tried to give them, and Biden got them 4."
Is the masterstroke contradiction you're speaking to that some actually got 5? Or that they can give up their vacation days to be sick? Because that's not a paid sick day.
This all continues to ignore that other people giving what they think you deserve IS NOT WORKER POWER.
And shows Biden is still fighting for them. While you are sitting idly by condemning the victory. See Four is greater than none. This is what is called progress by folks that are not so pure as you and thus understand you must lead and accept compromise rather than stamp your feet and whine while accomplishing nothing.
Getting something is 100% the actual goal and your childish tantrum would achieve nothing. There simply were not the Votes for anything else.
He literally didn't need votes at all to do the right thing and let workers retain their rights.
He needed the Votes to avoid condemning a strike which is what would have been the result of not getting involved when the Economy was in need and the idiot Railways were in no way going to negotiate without his direct intervention.
This is indecipherable word salad.
How does it feel being a sycophant of the status quo?
How does it feel being so pure you are an impediment to progress?