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Tara Rule says her doctor in upstate New York was “determined to protect a hypothetical fetus" instead of helping her treat debilitating pain.

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[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She's not pregnant though so it wouldn't matter.

[–] alcasa 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Commonly they dont recommend embryotoxic medication in woman of childbearing age, as unecpected pregnancies happen and the chance for severe birth defects increase. Sometimes these can only be detected late into a pregnancy, so if the person might want to keep a pregnancy it would be not to take it.

[–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That should be the women's choice to make though. She doesn't want a baby, if she has an unexpected pregnancy she will abort, so she doesn't need to take all that into account. She should get her treatment and a prior warning about pregnancy issues that could occur

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's not how it would play out in a malpractice case.

Lawyer: You recommended my client take a medication that causes birth defects, when you could have recommended a medication that doesn't cause birth defects. Because of that, her child has birth defects.

Doctor: Yes, but she said she didn't want children.

Lawyer: Have you ever heard a woman say she didn't want children, who later went on to have a child?

Doctor: Yes, it happens sometimes.

Lawyer: So birth defects are a foreseeable result of the medication you recommended, even in women who say they don't want children?

Doctor: ...

[–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nice imaginary conversation, I'm sure you're a totally qualified doctor and lawyer... just have the patient sign a liability waiver dude

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Liability waivers don't protect doctors against malpractice claims.

[–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes they do. In new york (where this took place), and most places, doctors are protected by liability waivers if the patient has informed consent. Read this for more information if you want an actual informed opinion on this

https://sobolaw.com/medical-malpractice/signing-a-waiver-before-surgery-can-you-still-sue/

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your link literally explains how to sue a doctor for malpractice after signing a liability waiver.

No waiver can claim that patients cannot sue their doctors for gross incompetence.

In most cases, this will involve collecting medical files, seeing copies of the waiver(s) signed by the patient, and proving medical malpractice or negligence by showing that:

The doctor in question deviated from an acceptable standard of care

The injuries came from that deviation

The damages came from those injuries

Which is straightforward in this case. The standard of care is not to give valproate to women of childbearing age except as a last resort, and valproate is known to have a very high risk of birth defects.

[–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This wouldn't be gross incompetence, it is a standard treatment that comes with pregnancy risks that the patient can choose to take knowing that they aren't going to give birth. All of those quotes youve selectively pulled are in reference to unexpected injury that isn't outlined in the waiver, so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't apply in this case. Neither of us are lawyers though, I wonder if any lawyer fed heads could chime in

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The doctor prescribed a different medication for her. And doctors, not patients, ultimately get to decide which drug they prescribe.

I don't think her case is going anywhere. She is suing pro se, which means she couldn't find or doesn't want a lawyer to take her case.

[–] Finite@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Sure, but do not recommend is different than will not give.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Easy solution, prescribe birth control treatment in tandem. Require insurance to pay.

It's pretty simple really. If someone is taking a medication that creates problems if they become pregnant, and they don't want to become pregnant, give them treatment to prevent them from becoming pregnant!