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lemmy.ml and hexbear.net has been banned in China (lemmy.ca)

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[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 95 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The great misunderstanding of hard left leaning western folks is that neither Russia nor China are socialist or communist.

Just like their hard right leaning counterparts they’re stuck in a mindset from the first half of the past century.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They don't really believe Russia is socialist to any degree, they just support it because it (supposedly) opposes the western hegemony, USA/NATO, etc.

Basically the same logic as that of pro-Russian right-wingers.

[-] wick@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I had a bunch of hexbear and ml's tell me russian war crimes in Berlin were "Nazi myths". Apparently the Nazis had more influence over the world of historical academia after they lost than Russia.

Also other allied war crimes did happen and weren't Nazi myths.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Supporters of autocratic state capitalist regimes like China and Russia also aren't left-leaning.

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Idk, just last week I overheard a report of an old communist whose life wishes were to visit Vietnam, Kuba and Russia.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

and...?

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Not truly sctosmen either.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

What part of "authoritarian state capitalism" is left wing to you?

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I don't know. I'm not a fucking tankie. They are masters at cognitive dissonance.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

If they're definitionally wrong, why call "no true Scotsman"?

[-] lulztard@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

To feel smart. Funnily enough, socialism really has it pretty hard trying to get off the ground. The US coups another nation every five years to install some corrupt dictator that's more than willing to sell out his nation to US interests in exhchange for power. So being hunted down and utterly corrupted by the worlds biggest terrorist nation, calling socialism "never truly tried" is kiiiiiiiiiind of correct. There is a lot of social policies in Europe and those worl pretty well, though US interests and their bootlickers erode those, too.

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

They are, they're just ignorant

[-] mnoram@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I think I'm confused. I haven't seen any left leaning people support Russia or China. It's right leaning people that support them. What am I missing? Also I've never seen any left leaning people say Russia and China are actually socialist or communist since the 80s or 90s. I've seen right leaning people claim that lefties believe that but never any examples in real life.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Left and right is not a defined group, it’s a name and any group can pretend/think they belong to it.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

The most support for China is basic materialist analysis: they've heavily invested in housing, high speed rail, electric car infrastructure, and green energy. Coincidentally: all rather related.

But that is generally the support associated with China: a materialist analysis, usually, if not always, regarding infrastructure.