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I've seen a lot of posts on this site that are leaning into anti semetic tropes while criticizing Israel. I want to point it out so that folks can recognize it.

First, because I have to say it:

Israel is a colonial outpost of the United States. It was created by Britain and inherited by the US. The US gives Israel ~3,000,000,000 USD in aid every year. As a colony, it should be the goal of every socialist to destroy it, just as we seek the destruction of the US, Northern Ireland, South Korea, Canada, the Phillipine state, etc.

But! Israel is also a safe haven for Jews. This is seperable from the colonial nature of the state. Israel could have been created in Germany or Siberia or frankly Florida for that matter (in fact, annexing Florida to create a new state of Israel is what I mean when i refer to "the one state solution"). In many ways, the US with its civil rights act serves the same purpose, and in fact, most Jews live in the US.

Many of us had ancestors in Germany or Poland during the holocaust who did not stick around after the war. They saw Israel as their best shot at safety in the wake of the holocaust. Many Israelis are liberals, hoping to vote out Likud, stop supporting settlements, and negotiate palestinian statehood. These people are advocating half measures, sure, but they are not our enemies.

So I wanted to point out some anti-semetic tropes I've seen on this website and call them out so you can recognize them.

Conflating Jews in Israel with Zionists.

This can be done through omission. If you aren't clear whether you're talking about jews or a specific institution (for example, the I"D"F or the settlements or Likud), many people will read your statement as being about Jews. Be careful with the word "they"

erasing the ambivalent position of jews within colonialism / conflating jewishness with whiteness

The zionist entity is not a Jewish colonial project, but an Anglo colonial project. It was created by the British and now is funded by the US Americans. Jews are an oppressed minority whose oppression is leveraged against other oppressed peoples. Similarly to how the US uses Kurds to Balkanize Iraq or The Hmong to wage counterinsurgency in Laos, it's uses Jews to destabilize the Levant.

Outside of the US, jews are largely understood as a racial group and oppressed on that basis. Especially in the Arab world where the Islamic hyper nationalism has gained ground in response to colonialism and been funded further by colonialists to their own ends (google "the safari club" or "Israel funds Hamas")

Blood Libel

This one is the assertion that Jews are uniquely bloodthirsty / murder non Jewish children. The classic example of this myth that people are familiar with is Runplestiltskin.

It is true that the IDF under the direction of Likud and the US state is murdering many Gazans, the majority of whom are children. but! be careful to specify. When people talk about "jews" or "israelis" generally as perpetuating the murder of children, they are engaging in the blood libel trope. Again, be careful with the word "they" and specify which entities you're talking about.

calling for ethnic cleansing

Okay, wtf ya'll. It's not jews as an ethnicity that are oppressing Palestinians, it is US imperial power. Jews have always lived in Palestine and the occupation only began in the 40s as part of a British initiative.

Jews will always be part of a palestinian state, and frankly need protections as ethnic and religious minorities. We do not seek the expulsion of Jews from Palestine, but their integration into it as citizens.

Jews are safe in the US not because its a colonial state but because of civil rights protections and generational wealth. If we can create civil rights protections in Palestine and a social safety net (ideally communism but I'll settle for social democracy), then jews will be safe in Palestine.

Jewish control of America / protocols of the elders of zion

America controls Israel and not vice versa. APEC is not a cabal brainwashing otherwise Nobel Christian politicians. US politicians support Israel because they're colonial politicians and Israel is our colony. APEC exists because lobbying is how power is exercised in the US, but if we had patronage instead, APEC' functions would be carried our by a governor or an ambassador or whatever.

conclusion

Recognize the role of the US empire in Palestinian oppression. Recognize that jews are in an ambivalent racial category and are an oppressed people. Be specific when criticizing Israeli colonialism. Name who you're criticizing, is it the settlements? The IDF? Likud? The US military Industrial Complex? Stop calling for ethnic cleansing of jews if you've been doing that. Don't equate jewishness with whiteness / the Nazis. White people are white people, the US is the Nazis.

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[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

We could have just been like “fair enough we’ll be careful” but we’re so scared of wreckers that we assume people who’ve been posting for months are feds.

C’mon everyone.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

the fact is we have been careful, and people are making mountains out of molehills. This is the second time I've seen this fuss from nowhere made in three days. I myself don't think its feds, I think its people just not being able to analyze the situation correctly.

also leftists call everyone feds, I've even asked myself if i'm a fed every so often.

I've even asked myself if i'm a fed every so often

Checking myself for handlers like it’s tick season

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

i am currently being paid by the EPA to trans all of hexbear

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

I’ll have what she’s having!

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, then you can just say "we have been being as careful as we can and will ban anyone who crosses the line" without making a big deal about it or accusing @Nagarjuna of being a secret Israeli collaborator.

Not that you have to be Civil all the time, and I do understand the concern, just in this specific case @Nagarjuna should maybe get a slight exception to the LIB crackdown. We are all LIB after all.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and will ban anyone who crosses the line"

which has already been happening. Out of 9 comments reported by OP, all 9 were removed/banned. It isn't like this site has a door and the password is "clam chowder."

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's what stands out to me. 9/9 bans, good job OP for real. So why then write this post when the scattered cases have been dealt with soundly? And more than that, there was no need to make it a polemic that ends up being a liberal/moderate stance on settlers. Reporting and getting bans on those posters was correct and good, so no need to write all the stuff that Maoo so succinctly criticized.

Like calling liberal Israeli's "not our enemy" is inflammatory as fuck and at a time when Israel, liberals included, are massacring Palestinians, IS offensive and is conflating being anti-zionist with antisemitism

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I think the concern is that it's happening at all, but I might be assuming too much good faith of random internet users.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I am concerned it is happening at all here, but dang you can bring that up without then essentially defending Israel and conflating it with Jews, and distinguishing the IDF from the genocidal policies like OP did

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was kinda weird, yeah

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

I don't think anyone is a fed. I think there are libs on this site. There are always people, even people who sincerely think they're revolutionary Marxists, who have a lib take on an issue. It's important to call liberalism out, always

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I've been posting for years lol

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

so was liberal socialist iirc

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago
[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

sir, I ask myself that every day

[-] Venus@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

She lashed out at me for being upset about the

Cw: sv"joke" she made about wanting to be the victim of a rapist pedophile

I can't believe she's not banned yet but I take solace in the certainty that she will be before too long, because people like this just can't help themselves

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

spoiler

"joke" she made about wanting to be the victim of a rapist pedophile

I can make jokes about shit that happened to me you asshole

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wait wtf, can you link that to me in a DM where that was

edit: found it, thats definitely something. discussing it with others soon

edit2: situation has been discussed, if any further problems arise please let me know cat-trans

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I forget who that was?

[-] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Just what a fed would do fedposting

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