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By this I mean, organize around some single person for leadership, or in other contexts focus on a popular figure. Even societies that tend to be described as more collectively-organized/oriented tend to do this.

People are people and are as flawed as one another, so this pervasive tendency to elevate others is odd to me. It can be fun and goofy as a game, but as a more serious organizing or focal principle, it just seems extremely fragile and prone to failure (e.g. numerous groups falling into disarray at the loss of a leader/leader & their family, corruption via nepotism and the like, etc.).

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 10 months ago

A lot of people don't really understand how things work. Rather than try to understand, they latch on to someone who does understand. In return for their loyalty, they get a path up where they won't threaten the boss in charge.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

A lot of people don’t really understand how things work. Rather than try to understand, they latch on to someone who does understand.

Wouldn't it be more apt to say that a lot of people latch on to someone who appears or acts as if they understand how things work, given the thinking that a lot of people simply don't understand to begin with?

[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Definitely. If you don't understand how the world works, you can't tell if someone else does either. Only experts can easily spot fake experts. And that's exactly the trouble with things like pseudoscience and misinformation; it's easy to fall for without the domain knowledge necessary to avoid falling for it.

[-] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

A perfect example is this guy from my last job. Thought himself a leader. Thought himself knowledgeable. Always had an answer, regardless of actual facts. Alternated between barking out orders and lamenting on how he had to do everything himself. Constantly getting schooled by people who actually knew the subject matter. Those who had been around just kinda put up with his BS because he filled a position that nobody else wanted.

Enter new management, who was very impressed with his authoritative tone, apparent breadth of knowledge, and willingness to lick boot. Suddenly management is bypassing dude's bosses to go straight to the horse's mouth and get the straight dope (which often involved taking credit for other people's work and bus-chucking whoever was handy). All because someone who barely knew what he was talking about spoke confidently to people that had no idea what was going on.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, it would be.

[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

A great example is when you're in elementary school and you get that one really athletic kid on your team for some team sport in gym class. You know you're not on that level and never will be, so you tie yourself to them, knowing that them succeeding is good for you.

Likewise, we like to attach our fortunes to a designated person, and they become greater than just a person in our mind. Like, that athletic kid is not longer simply a kid who's good at sports; they're the athletic kid. Our favored 19th-century political thought leader is no longer just some person who had opinions on society and wrote them down; they're a political messiah.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This is the best answer so far in my opinion

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