No, I just think ignoring what china has done wrong because of what people with your same political alliances say is fucking stupid. Communists are problematic that way. This thread is beyond enough proof. Both states are brutal and power hungry. They’re fucking world superpowers. If you can’t admit that the state you happen to like is ALSO guilty of wrongdoing…well, I’m not the one that needs to change my tune.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Both states are brutal and power hungry.

Citation needed again

If you can’t admit that the state you happen to like is ALSO guilty of wrongdoing…well, I’m not the one that needs to change my tune.

Why do I need to? The people in China don't believe the CPC are "guilty of wrongdoing" with a 90% approval rate. They're proving to be a force of good in the world, and whatever "wrongdoing" you believe China is doing is because the US government wants you to believe it. Now why you'd want to believe what the world's biggest lying police state would say about anything, is beyond me

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You need proof a modern state—and one that is competing with the likes of the brutally capitalist US in the global market—(not to mention one that has a government enabling one person to rule indefinitely, one that is violently enforcing its will on territories it wants to (re-)exert control over, one that is well-known for restricting media and speech)—has other goals than “making sure our people are happy and satisfied?” How delusional are you?

Why do I need to?

Lol wow. I guess more delusional than I was expecting. You know China has its own leftists that very much disagree with you…right? Like, you’re a western e-communist that you’re swallowing the party line so hard you’d be considered right-wing by the actual Chinese leftists. Like, they criticize the state for not being communist…while you’re over here idolizing them because you think you need to in order to “belong” as a communist. Ironic.

You can only view them as some fetishized version of what you don’t have. Like I said, you all never grew out of that stage we all went through when we first got radicalized (or at least I went through, at like 13 years old), where the complexity of the thinking is no more than, “i hate my government, they’re wrong…so anything that ALSO doesn’t like my government MUST be right!” Like, that Venn diagram has SOME overlap, but not 100%. And it’s so obvious when someone can’t differentiate. And that’s what I see in so many “communists” I talk to here.

They're proving to be a force of good in the world, and whatever "wrongdoing" you believe China is doing is because the US government wants you to believe it. Now why you'd want to believe what the world's biggest lying police state would say about anything, is beyond me

…how can you be so naive? You really can’t see past the binary of “pro-US/pro-china” that you can’t conceive of me, an anarchist who doesn’t think that

(let me make sure you hear this, this time):

EITHER FUCKING STATE IS IN THE RIGHT.

How can you discount the accounts of those who were IN Hong Kong, reporting exactly what was happening when the brutal Chinese state was…brutalizing them? Because you love a brutal state THAT much that you’re going to claim it’s wEsTErN PrOpaGaNDa? Defending china by calling the US a police state is some rich, rich irony.

BOTH HAVE BRUTAL POLICE FORCES THAT ENFORCE THE STATE’S VERSION OF THE STATUS QUO. We both obviously agree that is true in the US…but you’re blind to that being a fact of the Chinese state as well because you CLEARLY have a massive blind spot in order to more neatly arrange/understand your own beliefs.

But I’m wasting my time explaining this to you, I’m sure. Blind spots are called blind spots for a reason.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago