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‘Forever chemical’ bans face hard truth: Many can’t be replaced
(www.japantimes.co.jp)
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So you're OK with EV batteries no longer being made, along with numerous other things?
It's kinda hard to tell. I would need to find a specific list of things that we could no longer produce with the specific laws.
If it's just that we no longer get non-stick pans, I am fine with losing those if we get less cancer.
The list is so long you can't fathom how much it impacts. Pretty much anything with anti- or resistant used to describe it has some sort of PFAS compound. We can live without PFAS, but we would need to do like people used to do and give up a lot of creature comforts.
One thing it's commonly associated with is surfactants, so no fancy shampoo, but also probably no washing machine because it doesn't scour your clothes well enough. Plumbing uses it to join pipes. Any sort of metal finishing/coating uses so no more chrome or nickel plating unless you want it to look like you dug it up at a 500 AD site. One of the higher containing things I've seen was women's make up.
How much less cancer do you prefer from these vs internal combustion cars?
The point is being missed. We shouldn't use pfas for convenience items like pans and such. If we keep them well contained in EV batteries, that's probably ok.
I concur. Plastic makes great electrical insulation, but not great disposable cups. Petroleum is very versatile feedstock but not a good energy source.
I do wonder if cooking in nonstick pans without oil is less risky than cooking with oil in conventional pans.
I don't think there's really any measurable difference, assuming the nonstick pan isn't scuffed enough to cause bits and pieces to flake off into your food.
Cooking oil decomposes into carcinogens. Especially low smoke point oils.
(Admittedly the increased risk from either is pretty low)
I don't know. We stop cars, cancer goes away pretty quickly. Forever chemicals are well... Forever.
That is why I need specifics. You deserve specifics too.
We stop all cars. Build nanomachines to cure cancer and enable cold fusion. Abolish capitalism . It's all so easy.
There's a great conversation going on under this comment that I totally agree with. There's probably valid uses for which an exception could be made, but these largely do not belong in mass produced consumer goods.
To answer your direct question, though: In a rational world, EVs would not be a thing, or would be a very limited thing for special use cases like farm work or accessibility. They will not solve our problems, only mass transit and better planning can solve things.