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That is a wild way to frame an attack from within a ghetto against the nation that starves them in a ghetto
Its the same way we'd phrase a prison break here in the US.
The prisoners used violence against the guards, which is an unacceptable reversal of roles. The inmates that broke out have condemned everyone in the jail, since anyone might have shown them aid or even sympathy. The inmates are presumed dangerous, presumed deserving of punishment, and presumed less than human. Hell, its not far off from the way we described New Orleans residents fleeing Hurricane Katrina. Or Haitians escaping their own island prison.
What we're witnessing in Palestine isn't far from what American politicians want to implement at home. That's what is so fucking chilling about all this. Palestine is our future.
GOOD post
Any time I read “Hamas pogrom” I mentally check out. Meaningless word salad. Pogroms cannot be effected by the people who are being subjugated
Warsaw Uprising? You mean the horrific Home Army August 1 anti-German pogrom?
Yeah, if Hamas took pains to avoid hurting non-Jewish whites or something like that, then there might be a real question of antisemitism. Or if they, like, greased their bullets with shellfish (halal but not kosher) or literally screamed "death to Jews" or . . . Basically anything inconsistent with simply lashing out in violence against the colonizer population, which is not what a pogrom is.
Pogroms are enacted by powerful groups against disenfranchised, oppressed and weak groups. It’s literally impossible for Palestinians to pogrom Israelis, they simply don’t have the means
I disagree with that. In the same way that a revolutionary party is functionally a state, if Hamas took over even one city block in Israel for a few hours and said "kill all the Jews, release the rest", they are the dominant power in that time and place and are thereby not part of your logic.
But that is not what they did, so it is a moot point.
Hamas took over and destroyed settlements, because those settlements are illegal and belong to colonizers. They killed the people living there. It wasn't kill all jews, it was kill all occupying settlers. It's not a pogrom because they are being colonized and are defending themselves.
You'll notice I said "but they didn't do that". They were not targeting Jews, they killed and took hostages from among the settler population indiscriminately. That is what made it not a pogrom, not their colonized status.
It’s more aptly described as a militarized prison break and sabotage mission
If we stared calling Gaza a Bantustan maybe they'd get the point.
I've tried. It bounces off them
Yeah, I think a lot of Anglos think South Africa was like segregation in the south, when it was a totally different thing which I want to say was worse but obviously segregation was and arguably still is a horrific hellscape and a permanent blight on humanity.