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Meanwhile in Germany:
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Meanwhile Germany could cut more than 13% of its fossil electricity sources if it didn't have to export electricity to "97% fossel-free" France. Overall, Germany exports 26.3% of its electricity.
So it could go straight to 84% renewables if other countries weren't dependent on its electricity.
We have a deep-seated problem with corruption. Most politicians are just cockpuppets of the economy, and fossil fuel corporations have plenty of politicians stuck on their cocks. We were the forerunners of green energy, now we're just cum-soaked whores.
Least horny upset german.
Wtf is going on in Italy?
We’re lazy fucks.
France usually exports electricity, this year is an abnormality.
And last year was an anomaly as well? Next year, the French nuclear plants will be repaired and their rivers will carry sufficient amounts of water again?
Yes, exactly. It's in the management PowerPoint for next year, so don't worry about it
2017 called, it wants to ask when anomalies become the normal.
I mean, isn't that the core of the intermitancy argument for fossil fuels? Consumers wouldn't be willing to accept a 100% renewable grid which only met demand 95% of the time.
Perfect is the enemy of good. I'd rather have a 95% renewable grid than not even try. We can at the very least minimize fossil fuel use. It's kinda silly to be doubling down on it in this day and age.
if you give up on solving that issue with anything other than fossil fuels, yes
100% renewable requires opportunistic consumption, which is hard to do without eating people.
Most of internet infrastructure is base load. It has to work 100% of time.
Exporting? Electricity doesn't know about economics, it has its own laws.
France also had to close a nuclear plant because of germany, it was close to the frontier so created political tensions with germany.
But France also have a strong anti nuclear lobby, so it's hard to build more nuclear sadly.
I mean, it doesn't HAVE to, does it? Presumably it's a voluntary trade?
Edit: Lol. Just like Reddit, get downvoted for asking a neutral question.
The united EU energy market means that essentially, yes they have to.
Maybe voluntary is the wrong word, but do they not get paid for the exports?
Well, I'd think so, too, but I'm not sure France voluntarily shuts off their nuclear reactors during the summer.
Sssshhhh, don't interrupt the nuclear circlejerk.
Don't tell them that nuclear is by far the most expensive source of electricity in europe, no matter which costs you include
while still producing an order of magnitude more CO2 than renewables
or their heads will explode. And don't ever ask them why no energy company in the world build a new nuclear reactor without subsidies, because the answer is: nuclear power is so ridiculously expensive that it isn't financially profitable.
Well, that is unless you let the taxpayers cover all the costs, then it's perfect to reap the highest profits.
Its interesting they use "most recent generation of turbines" but don't do that on nuclear. Also WISE is not a credible source. It's an anti-nuclear organisation with guys like Mycle Schneider on board.
Which source says 117g/kWh for nuclear? IPCC 2014 says 12g, UNECE 2020 about 5.1g (for EU28 nuclear).
Feel free to tell us how much cheaper current nuclear power plants are than the ones that were built in the 70s and 80s.
I'm sure there's some great data from Flamanville, Olkiluoto or Hinkley Point, showing us all how cheap and affordable nuclear has become.
If you thought just a little bit about what I wrote, you would know I was discussing the second graph.
Answer my points, not reinterpret them to fit your agenda.
"Consequential cost to health and environnement" of nuclear if higher that coal ? Wtf, in what world ?
Coal is more radioactive than nuclear plant, and that's the lesser issue, between air polution, plant burning, and the effect of that much co2 being released, that can't be true.
Either it's bullshit or I missunderstood the graph.
They shutdown half of their reactors temporarily for maintenance in 2022. It was a one time thing. Your statement makes it seem like they do it every year.
Electricity don't know about capitalism, it has its own laws.
My electricity provider shuts off my power if I don't pay, obviously physical laws of electricity allow at least that much.