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Whose rights would be ruined if palestinians as a people had the right to self determination?
I don't know I was asking the question if they can do it. Because i didn't get answer to my question here about whether they are they allowed to do it or not .
Are you asking if it's doable to have self determination and not kill anyone?
Well kinda, I asked if they are not allowed to do that in a way that won't turn into violence .
You know self determination is very general term. I could self determine at the expense of you or I could do it in neutral or even beneficial way to you. But I'm merely asking if they are not allowed.
Since we're talking avour Israel, I mean the same one they say they have.
Do you mean shelling neighbors or democracy ? And again aren't Palestinians allowed self determination without violence ? To me you seem to have reason to think they aren't. I'm just trying to figure out what is the reason.
I think you are totally misreading the situation here. /: Maybe some background info you seem to have missing about this entire issue?
Not sure. I'm just asking plain simple question, that is: "Aren’t Palestinians allowed self determination without violence ? "
Maybe (American Heritage) definition of self determination could help ?
source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
I'm asking because I'm Palestinian. No one talked about violence at all.
Seems like you are avoiding the answer, so i won't pursue any further.
I think you completely missed the point of it and maybe there was a misunderstanding because the things you were asking and commenting on weren't making sense and seemed like you were pulling my leg to say some bullshit (maybe you assumed I was pro-Israeli? Or maybe pro-Palestinian?) maybe you missed the whole Israeli self determination thing in history? Idk.
I'm not trying to run away from anything. Your question doesn't make sense or is awkwardly phrased.
You can ask again as long as it makes a bit of sense lmfao
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I asked this simple question to better understand where you are coming from.
What are you looking for behind it is beyond me. Either they can or they can't . Some people think nothing stops them, Some people say they made a democratic choice to vote for Hammas others think Israel is totalitarian regime, others think evil west oppresses them.
Okay, before I give an answer (which is obviously yes anyway), what is the purpose of asking whether or not they can do it without affecting people's basic human rights? What made you assume or think this was even part of the original question? And who do you think would be affected by a group of people being given bsck their full rights?
If you don't want to answer that that's fine but my answer is "yes but dort go around pulling people's legs, clearly this question is loaded".
What made me ask about violence ? There are mutliple things but i guess most fresh one is October 7th music festival. Another one would be of-roof-trowings. Also son of Hammad leader testament. etc.
I have not asumed you asked about it. I asked this question to better understand your POV.
Do you mean who would be negatively affected by making democracy in Gaza? It's simple, Hamas would lose their position of power. (No more of-roof-trowing)
What is with your obsession with legs pulling. Keep on mentioning it all over. If question is clear, give clear answer or refuse to answer it. Instead of running around like with hot potato. It looks like you trying to mislead me or something.
Yeah, maybe.