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Open hatred of Jews surges globally, inflamed by Gaza war
(www.reuters.com)
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What the fuck is with these comments.
Jewish people outside of Israel (citizens of other countries) are not equal to the Israeli government. They have no say and no control over what the Israeli government does. They are not connected.
Jewish 20 year olds going to college in the USA do not deserve to be attacked for simply...being Jewish (see Tulane University events). And so on.
Attacking Jewish people worldwide for the actions of the Israeli government is pure antisemitism, plain and simple, and needs to be called out and condemned.
People just love to have a reason to hate. Just like when COVID started and Asians were getting attacked all over despite having zero connection to China.
A lot of people just seem to hate jews, and now the masks have come off (again).
Why though? Why is anti-Semitism even a thing?
Religion, plus they were an easy minority to scapegoat historically.
What's the religious reason people hate them?
They believe in a different version of the magic sky daddy.
But theirs was the original. All of the Abrahamic religions are their religion.
It is varied and complicated throughout history-
Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in Ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
Muslim antisemitism which was—at least in its classical form—nuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
Political, social and economic antisemitism during the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the new antisemitism
Christians have some historical antisemitism because the Jews are blamed for crucifying Jesus.
Muslims i have less knowledge, but i know in modern times they hate the founding of Israel among other reasons pertaining to “conflicting sky daddy”
Also for some other context, many practicing Jews kept traditions that made them stand out in the past. Leading to negative (and often false) stereotypes.
Lastly, it doesn't help that they proclaim themselves God’s chosen people in the eyes of outsiders.
Edit: corrected mistake
With respect to the Christian and Muslim antisemitism:
Christianity largely made up the crucifixion... In many capacities. But, if we take the story at face value, it would be the Romans who did it because... the Romans crucified a LOT of people.
Much of the hatred from Christianity is rooted in Judaism not banning money lending. So combine that with a lot of Christians excluding them from other professions and you had a LOT of Jewish bankers (which continues to this day with the idea that "Jews are good with money" and "Jews are great lawyers" and so forth).
But when the time came to need some extra cash to fund a Crusade or just pay for some more jewels? Suddenly the Christians (and Catholics) had a really nice and really juicy target that they could attack and rob (which is also where a lot of the Nazi targeting of Jews came from).
As for Islam? A lot of the above coupled with the Jewish people not having multiple Crusades/Jihads worth of soldiers to back up their claims to territories... so lesson learned on that front I guess.
But "the Jews were responsible for crucifying Jesus" is a complete load of nonsense. And is a long standing source of dog whistles and antisemitic hate.
Nice info. I couldn't remember the details about the connection with money lending and banking, but I was trying to refer to it with the stereotypes and standing out.
Also, you are right and i edited my comment about Jews being responsible for crucifying Jesus because it is something i was taught and i know people believe it, but I am not trying to spread that information as fact.
Jews are one of the least religious ethnic groups worldwide (something like 75% are agnostic or atheist iirc) though
"Your people killed Jesus."
But wasn't it the Romans who did that?
Yes, but it's been a long-standing precedent to blame the Jews anyway.
Why though? Why perpetuate such an obvious lie?
If u believe the Bible it's not a lie. The Jews could have saved Jesus. They chose barrabus instead iirc.
I don't have the answer to that one. Maybe the same reason that lies like 'Asian men have small penises' and 'all black people are good dancers' perpetuate. It sounds good to a bigot and they just assume it's true.
That tells me there's some other undelying reason for the bigotry.
I've felt this for a long time, but the more I watch politics play out, the more justified I feel it is: I think bigotry is a kind of mental illness, a severe one, and it might be connected with other conditions that case paranoia and manic episodes like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
It's the only way it makes any sense.
Because Judaism is simultaneously an ethnicity, a race, and a culture, and a religion, they have avoided assimilation into the larger cultures in the places they have lived. This causes resentment between the cultures. Look at how so many people view immigrants today. Now stretch that attitude out over 2000 years. With Jews always being in the minority, they become an easy target for hatred and scapegoating. They're very obviously culturally different from other people where they live, by choice, so they're an easy target for that kind of xenophobic propaganda.
Some of the negative associations were earned, like the "Jews and money" stereotypes. That comes from a long time ago when all abrahamic religions followed the moral code that charging interest on loaned money was immoral. The Jews believed this too, but because they are God's chosen people and everyone else is not, they decided there was no moral problem with charging non-Jews interest. They would give out loans a lot more aggressively because there was a profit motive and risky loans could still be profitable. They became associated with money because they proliferated as bankers due to what was considered at the time to be unscrupulous banking.
None of that background justifies any modern antisemitism; hate is always wrong. Just answering where some of it came from historically.
What would it take to resolve the issue and make it stop, do you think?
If people could stop being xenophobic assholes, the world would be a better place. We've been unable to accomplish that at scale since humans have existed though, so I've got nothing. All I can do is to try and be a good person myself.
Realistically until we can move past religions its not going to stop. When you create constant in groups and out groups you are going to have conflict and blame wars. Until we can view each other as equals and for that to happen either everyone has to be under the same religion or we accept religions were a terrible form of government that need to be abandoned. And then we might just see rampant racism at that point if education is not properly funded and supported following the fall of religions. Then it would be nationalism until we can globally unite, and then still we will run into small groups of uneducated people who will be easily swayed allowing these bullshit issues to propagate again but hopefully not at the same level. Not that it's reassuring but we have massive issues that need to be addressed for this shit to end and as billionaires profit from uneducated laborers, until we get to post scarcity for our species I don't know if it will end.
I think a small minority within the Jewish community is very disliked. While most are as lovely (or annoying) as anyone else, some do like to hold-on to the "I'm part of the most persecuted group in the history of the universe" rhetoric.
gods chosen people is how they refer to themselves
Yeah, but that's every religion.
No, "Chosen people" as a concept is unique to Judaism. You can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people
That specific link also mentions how it's not just for Judaism.
Yeah but it is quite integral to Judaism and is what the term "Chosen people" is typically referring to. Here is more in depth info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
It's a very common thing said amongst jews. While some other religions may have similar concepts, it is quite integral to Judaism to a degree that it isn't in other religions.
I feel like there needs to be more discussion of how people can be anti-Zionist without being antisemitic. There are elements of many faiths that people can object to without being considered antagonistic of that faith. People might not hate all people who are Jewish, but also might not be too enthusiastic about the Israeli State and all of its actions, which does not make them antisemitic.
There's also lack of understanding that when saying "anti-Zionist" you're calling for the non-existence of the state of Israel, not for Israel to not be an apartheid state. Rabin was a Labour Zionist: He would have liked to live in peace and social democracy with Palestinians. He was killed by a Religious Zionist, people who have a long history massacring Palestinians, the kind of people who prop up Netanyahu and settle the West Bank. On the flipside there's plenty of anti-Zionist Jews around, for secular or religious reasons ("trying to force the third temple prophecy"). Broadly speaking "Zionist" simply means "patriot of Israel" and there's also plenty of those out there helping Palestinians with their olive harvest so that settlers don't come over and gun them down (because shooting Israelis, even leftists, would have consequences).
The Israeli right-wing of course doesn't care, if a Jew says something they'd accuse others of antisemitism for they're switching to "self-hating Jew".
You're conveniently ignoring though that Israel has over the last decades made themselves basically synonymous with Jews worldwide and have been quick to hide their atrocities behind the word "antisemitism".
I'm not saying it's okay, but it's not far-fetched.
Yes, but it's only consistent to reject that false framing and clearly delineate between supporters and opponents of Israel. Everything else just serves Israel by mudding the water.
Just because the Israeli government tells you this, you abandon critical thinking skills? I get that there may be a casual link here, but damn, people need to actually think.
theyre not conveniently ignoring it, it just wasnt relevant to the comment
the israeli government absolutely carries massive responsibility for the conflation of jews and israelis, and that absolutely does not have any effect on the amount of responsibility jewish folks carry when it comes to the actions of israel
What comments? Are you trying to manufacture outrage again?