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There are other conceivable sorts of disagreements that might cause a shut down, some much more reasonable. I think it’s fair to call this particular shutdown out for being the result of extremist elements in the Republican Party making absurd demands.
It’s so extreme that even most Republicans outside of the freedom caucus don’t seem to want a shutdown, to the point where the last speaker sacrificed his career to try to avoid one.
this is why we're fucked.
God forbid they compromise with dems, rather than let 8 people stop everything.
Yeah agreed. One scary thing is that, even if some Republicans wanted to compromise, the political incentives are fucked. People get primaried out of their seat for much less than actively supporting the opposing party against one's own. The two party system is completely broken.
Not a fault of the 2 party system. Democrats have no issues being the adults in the room. It's the Republican party that needs to be evaluated. False equivalency and all that.
They are losing elections like crazy, so I guess the system is working.
Most Americans, including Republicans, do not want a shutdown, but the democratic mechanisms aren't functioning. There is absolutely a systemic problem with the incentives of a two party system in the US, in conjunction with a primary system where the diehards are much more likely to vote. It rewards extremism.
That said, it is also true that the Republican party is by far worse than Democrats. In fact, one explains the other. I am not claiming the parties are equivalent, so it is just uncharitable to accuse me of false equivalency.
But it is really just 8 extreme republicans. 8 people shutting down everything. It's up to republicans in the house of representatives to boot these guys, even if it means siding with the dems. It's not partisanship. It's loyalty to 8 people.