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WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital
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If we were to be devils advocates for a second here.. if you knew that the terrorists that you're trying to wipe out would steal any fuel you send in, but everyone keeps telling you to do it anyway, would you send 9000 litres and resupply your adversary or would you send a few hundred litres and record what happens to make a point?
Finally ! someone with common sense !! Thank you
Especially since you can send another 300 liters, or even more, as soon as you see it actually going to the hospital.
Also, the hospital most certainly does not need 10000 liters a day for critical equipment. (To run everything like normal, maybe.)
you would fake it and provide it as evidence.
Do you really believe that you need to fake anything related to making Hamas look bad?
Need? No.
We still know many situations where the IDF has done that regardless.
That doesn't even make sense. I understand everyone's emotions are high, and what is happening is truly tragic, but can we at least agree on some common logical foundation?
You would send all the fuel a catastrophic situation needs. That's the point of humanitarian help.
But who are we kidding, if not for international pressure, there would never be any humanitarian help. Or there woulf still be 20 trucks a day, with water for 20k people, in a city of 2 million
Even if you knew the aid wouldn't arrive, but instead would be used to extend the cause of the catastrophic situation?
The hospitals were running fine before the Israelis shut off their power.
Yes before the government the hospital is in declared war on their neighbor.
Nobody declared war on Oct 7th. Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine (any definition of it's borders) for decades and has been operating a blockade of Gaza for about a decade.
Both of those are acts of war. One of them is also a war crime. So don't come crying that Israel got attacked. They could absolutely have kept the power on.
There was a cease fire in place before that. One side broke the cease fire. That's initiating war. That was an intentional, planned decision to start a war.
That makes no sense. You have to be at war to have a cease fire and they are temporary by nature. The 50 year cease fire in Korea is famous for being the only one to last so long.
Furthermore it was only weeks after the 2014 cease fire that Israel shot an unarmed farmer inside Gaza. You cannot claim there was a cease fire if you were commiting war crimes during it.
Their last ceasefire was in 2018 IIRC.
So fun fact. In 2019 Israel was caught assassinating people inside Gaza. That turned into a whole exchange too.
The point is both countries treat cease fires as items of convenience. But we only act shocked when one of them breaks it.
Israel is not responsible for providing power to Gaza. Hamas are.
Israel controls their electric grid so they by default have responsibility.
Israel specifically prevented Hamas from being able to provide power on their own with the blockade. They were also already supplying it, suggesting a duty to aid.
how'd hamas do that? :oc
And how exactly do you know that? And yes as an empathetic human being I would definitely try to help and fail rather than not trying. At least I would know that I have tried.
And just to remind you, the propaganda is not only on one of the sides, but both. And accepting everything IDF is saying as true is a very one-sided way to look at this conflict!
People trying to help and making the situation worse does not help, at all. Putting soothing your own feelings above the pragmatic requirements to solve the situation does not help
This is why politicians are universally hated, but still required
Let them all die then. Right? They are anyway on the wrong side of the fence!
That's not what I said, but you know that already
You’re right, you’re too much of a coward to get to the end of the logic of your position.
Who would have thought that a discussion on the internet would descend into name-calling
Clutch your pearls harder, I’m not the original commenter and your “discussion” was just you throwing out thought terminating cliches to disregard what people are saying and to ignore the implications of your argument.
Own your position instead of complaining that I called it out with terse, judgmental language.
If you had tried to have a proper discussion, we would be having it. Instead you're name calling. I am perfectly aware of the tragic end result of that pragmatic argument.
Well you'd know because you have the intelligence that shows that Hamas has been stealing fuel reserves at large. And you'd confirm it by sending a few Jerry cans worth of fuel to the hospital to see if they'd be allowed on or if they'd be stolen. You're acting like they didn't attempt to help at all.
These sorts of actions are designed to be trust building exercises. They prove viability of the general concept.
*freedom fighters for the oppressed people of Palestine.