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So it looks like Trump has read the fascist playbook or something. I'm not surprised. I am concerned.

Edit: After thinking about it, I guess I am surprised that he can read.

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[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

The Democrats aren't fascist though.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Acting in defiance of the votes and voice of the constituents. Funding genocide and working to do so unilaterally behind closed doors.

Yup. Sounds pretty fascist to me.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

The majority of Americans support Israel, so they are not acting against the interests or voice of their constituents.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Are you sure about that?

The majority of Americans are supporting the Palestinian genocide right now?

Every report I have heard is that Biden's already abysmal approval rating TANKED the moment he started funding the genocide.

Last I checked, the average American is pretty anti-genocide.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, Biden had 50% approval among democrats for his handling of the current conflict, and the majority of Republicans have always supportes Israel over Palestine.

Also not everyone agrees it's a genocide.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Centralized autocratic government. Unilaterally funding genocide against the wishes of the people. That is fascism. That is what both sides of the aisle are doing in America today. Biden happens to be in the drivers seat today.

11,000 unaffiliated civilians murdered in 1.5 months and Netanyahu is loudly ramping up. Sounds like genocide to me.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Hamas is intentionally using Palestinian civilians as human shields, attacking Israel from populated areas.

And Israel has the munitions and ability to kill every Palestinian in a matter of weeks. If they wanted to genocide the Palestinians they could have already wiped them out.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

So the only option is to murder the human shield.

11 thousand of them in 1.5 months in fact.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Well the other option is try and move ground troops in, which not only risks their lives, but the human shield is still risked.

Hamas ceasing to exist would prevent the civilian casualties though, but Hamas wants as many civilians as possible to die.

And given Israel has the ability to kill all 1 million of them in that time, they must really just be terrible at this genocide thing.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Or... you know... wait until they move away from the human shield.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Hamas will not. Hamas is firing long range rockets from within civilian infrastructure, and Hamas wants civilians to die by Israeli counterattacks. Hamas will never leave the human shield.

Hamas is not a rational entity that is fighting for the good of Palestinians, and trying to save as many of them as they can. Hamas' only goal is the annihilation of all Jews, and the more Palestinians that die the better it is in Hamas' mind.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

What the fuck is wrong with you?

It was a short range anti tank missile at a group of IDF troops shooting down people on the street outside the hospital instead of breaching the hospital.

At this point, I am seriously wondering if you are just that stupid, or of I am talking to a genuine IDF disinformation agent.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

That's 1 attack out of the thousands. Hamas has fired thousands of rockets into Israel.

I'm seriously wondering how stupid you are. Do you honestly think Hamas has only fired 1 rocket ever?

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Are we talking about in the history of Israel or in the last month and a half?

Because Israel has been constantly shelling Palestine for a month and a half and in that month and a half 1 missile has been fired by Hamas.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

What the fuck are you talking about, Hamas has fired 9,500 rockets at Israel since October 7th:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2023

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

It's Wikipedia, that said, occording to your link, 131 rockets may have landed in Israel territory with 0 Israeli casualties.

There is no equivelent wiki page for Israeli rockets fired at Palestine, just an 11 thousand civilian death count.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Israel is good at shooting down said rockets, but it's colossally expensive.

But you think it's A-ok for Hamas to fire thousands of Rockets into Israel from civilian areas every single week, and Israel should do nothing about it?

Because it's thousands of rockets, and the only reason the Israeli death toll is only 2 thousands civilians and not 11,000 is the Iron Dome. Because you've apparently forgotten about the attack that started this current war.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Again, are we talking full history or the last month and a half.

2000 is disinformation.

260 died at the music festival.

11 thousand have been slaughtered in response.

Same story, another month and a half in the Gaza strip.

Small wonder there is a resistance force in Palestine.

Keep martyring Palestinian innocents. Wonder why there is a resistance force.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

If you claim the 2,000 dead Israeli's is misinformation then so is the 11,000 dead Palestinians, and really only 1,000 Palestinians have died.

And once again Hamas is still firing thousands of rockets at Israel, Israel just actually tries to protect its civilians, unlike Hamas.

Hamas is the enemy of Palestinians.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

That's just a baseless "I'm rubber you're glue" argument.

2000 isralies have not been killed by hamas in the past year and a half.

The UN reports 260.

The UN also reports 11 thousand Palestinians dead.

Hamas can fire missiles all day and none of them touch Israel.

Israel is shelling for 20 hours a day and each shell kills Palestinians.

Hamas is resisting Israeli oppression and slaughter.

Israel is playing with the toys America gave them, or, um, slaughtering innocents.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

The UN claims no such thing, they state they will not make any claims about casualties in the ongoing conflict until independent verification can occur.

And 260 Israelis were killed at the music festival, many other locations were hit by Hamas on Oct. 7th.

Only Palestine claims 11,000 civilians have been killed, that does not mean 11,000 civilians have been killed. Remember when Islamic Jihadists misfired a missile into a hospital parking lot, then Palestine claimed 500 civilians were killed by Israel as a result? Yeah, Palestine has been fucking lying this whole time. If you don't believe 2,000 Israeli civilians were killed, then you sure as shit shouldn't believe 11,000 Palestinians have, because we know Hamas and Palestine have been lying about those numbers.

And again, Hamas is allowed to attempt to murder Israeli civilians with no repercussion? That's fucking absurd. The only reason thousands more Israeli's have not been killed is because of billions of dollars in defense missiles, and the fact Israel actually moves it's civilians away from targeted areas unlike Hamas who actually stop Palestinians from fleeing South because they need their human shields.

But in your mind that's A-ok, it's fine to spend each and every day attempting to kill thousands of Israeli civilians. God you're fucking racist.

And Palestine has been trying to kill Israel since the end of the British mandate in 1948 when the Arab nations got together to try and eradicate the Jews. Palestine's situation today is of it's own making.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Broseph.

We ain't gonna agree.

You've made me pause once by my count.

Don't know if I've made you pause.

I won't support genocide. I don't think the response to a human shield is murdering the terrified innocent.

I think Israel is an angry hot headed martyr making machine.

I think every oppressed population will form a resistance force.

I think Israel can just sit back, enjoy the iron dome, and give their neighbors food and water. That would irradiated hamas.

Share your wealth with good people, and good people will expel terrorists.

Murder good people and force them to turn to a terrorist for protection.

I think your philosophy presented is horse shit, and it doesn't compel me to adopt it.

Think you feel about the same about my philosophy.

...

I still sleep easy at night knowing I don't put "kill the innocents" out into the world.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Glad you're okay with Hamas constantly attempting to genocide Israelis. That's great to know.

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