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[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Guys, they’d be overjoyed their government the hammered out in overnight binge drinking sessions lasted 200+ years.

All the present problems are our problems. They gave us the amendment system for a reason.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not universally. Jefferson would have been horrified that the same government he established was still trucking along. 50 years was the longest he wanted it to last, and called for dramatic change at that point

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you honestly want to live in a country where the established foundations of government changed every 50 years? That kind of chaos and instability would be crushing. There are places like that right now, and first world countries they are not.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Can you imagine if that change happened during like 2018/19 when the government was full of people I liked slightly less than the people in their right now? That would have sucked.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Hmm... Sounds to me like someone understood the need to update a country's systems with the cultural and technological progress of humanity.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They also wrote that system not expecting it to be able to be gummed up by as little as 2% of the population because of how stupid we were about drawing state borders

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like that comment severely lacks nuance but I'm also not sure how best to state the problem in few words so I haven't downvoted.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 years ago

I would put it like this. The founding fathers did a decent job in writing the Constitution, but it is evident that they were humans that didn't expect in having to handle how to actually make the system work with less than trustworthy people. The need for the 12th Amendment is a prime example.

However, we've kept it for the most part while changing base assumptions over time as the want to rewrite everything from the ground up disappeared.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How? Assuming you're talking about Wyoming we only have one vote in the house and two in the senate. We can hardly gum it up by our little lonesome.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well for starters that's a disproportionate 3 electoral votes for president

It takes as little as less than a fifth of the population to elect a president if they embark on a small states crusade.

As for constitutional amendments, it takes THREE QUARTERS of the states to approve an amendment, meaning that starting from the smallest states and working our way up, less than 7 million people can decide for the other 343 million that an amendment doesn't pass.

And that's all assuming state action reflects popular will within the states, which it often doesn't.

The United States is a republic of States. In it all states are equal in the union. That's why the senate is locked at two senators per state and why all states have equal say on amendments.

[–] DreBeast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Funny how you don't see a connection between the establishment of the US and now.