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submitted 11 months ago by GiddyGap@lemm.ee to c/politics@lemmy.world

"We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not."

That's gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I've heard in a while.

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[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I see this kind of thinking often, with regards to young voters, black voters, blue collar workers, immigrants, women, etc.

'We've checked with the experts and determined that they should be grateful! Why won't they adjust their lived experience to match our policy platform!!'

It doesn't matter whether you agree with them. They're leveraging power. You are free to disregard them if you think your personal narratives are enough to keep you comfort after Trump wins.

If Biden and his supporters want to win, they need to stop arguing with their voters and start listening. It's not that complicated.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

I’ll be comfortable if Trump wins. I’m a cis white male who makes over $200k per year. Hell, I’ll probably get a fucking tax cut.

These idiots are going to be among the first and worst to get hurt.

I’ll vote to try to stop them from hurting themselves but there’s only so much I can do.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

Democrats feel entitled to votes from their base are are offended at the idea they might have to earn their vote. They blackmail us with Republicans and victim blame when their bad electoral strategy fails them

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

This isn't unique to Democrats, it's a feature of the left in general. Democrats aren't bending over backwards to get progressive votes, but progressives aren't bending over backwards to get moderate votes either. If a Democrat loses, moderates blame Progressives for not showing up. If a progressive loses, progressives blame moderates and the establishment.

I mean how many progressives criticize Bernie's electoral strategy instead of blaming the DNC? Bernie completely wrote off Florida and Cuban Americans instead of trying to win them over. He aimed for 40% of the vote in the primaries. And he relied on non voters to win.

Democrats and progressives BOTH prefer to bicker with each other and make no efforts to court each other's base. They'd rather blame each other than critique their electoral strategy. And when fascists rise to power because of this bickering, both will blame each other again.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Bernie completely wrote off Florida and Cuban Americans instead of trying to win them over.

And just like that, candidates are expected to win votes.

[-] DreamerofDays@kbin.social -4 points 11 months ago

This implies their voters are speaking in a unified voice. They’re not. Subsets are, closer to it, but overall, politics is about compromise and consensus.

If you want the power of dominion, go for a monarchy, and if you don’t want to compromise at all, go to war. When it comes time for peace again, it’ll be some manner of compromise.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

This implies their voters are speaking in a unified voice. They’re not. Subsets are, closer to it, but overall, politics is about compromise and consensus.

"We decided you're expendable. We still expect your solidarity."

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