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specifically : a historical process by which the semantic and connotative status of a word tends to decline

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"liberal" is used here as in neoliberal, which is rightwing and capitalist.

also in the us, democrats lean slightly right of center.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago

Again, if you want to conserve capitalism, you’re a liberal to Socialists. I understand classical, libertarian, social, neoliberal definitions. The consensus among socialists is that liberalism supports capitalism.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Again, if you want to conserve capitalism, you’re a liberal to Socialists.

Sooo what you're saying is that Socialists think conservatives are liberals?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, in the sense they also believe in the neoliberal free-market and private-property capitalism. This also means liberals are still right wing, albeit much further to the left than conservatives.

Both conservatives and so-called liberals believe in free market capitalism, despite having radically different points of view when it comes to social issues like racism, poverty, guns etc. Socialists agree with left-leaning liberals on the vast majority of social issues btw.

In a nutshell, if you think really good representatives could fix most of the issues with capitalism as it stands you are a liberal/neoliberal. If you think the current capitalist system can't be fixed by just changing the players without changing the game you are a leftist/socialist. You can go further left than you might be used to, this is where this confusion comes from.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Socialists think conservatives are liberals?

It's not that we think that... it's just that we don't really see much of a difference.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

This is close to what I meant.

this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2023
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