What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise? (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by NightAuthor@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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Their foot steps sound like they just have 2 pegs for feet… they hit so hard.

And they frequently, almost daily, spend the entire evening stomping around the entire footprint of their apartment.

Are there people who really just get the top floor, and think “I’m so smart, and everyone else can get fucked” then proceed to make all the fucking noise in the world?

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago

we need to put sound insulation into the building codes. it won't increase rents much since all the money's in the land anyways. personally I've never had an actual issue with noise form other units but I'll grant this to the people who do.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't really want to force a specific bottom limit on sound insulation, which is what that would do, though.

Some people won't care as much as others relative to price and may not want to pay what it'd cost. And some people may want a much-quieter unit than any bottom limit would place.

The problem is that they can't make an informed decision now because the information isn't available.

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

Might be worth just mandating it since you can also fix thermal efficiency issues at the same time. And that affects everyone since poor thermal efficiency = more pressure on the electricity grid and increased risks of extreme cold and heat to individuals.

But transparency would certainly be better than nothing.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

So just stick all the poor people with the paper thin walls?

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

The problem is the information isn’t available. There’s no place to leave reviews of apartments. That seems like a no-brainer to me.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Pretty sure sound isolation is a factor in LEED rating

[-] slowwooderrunsdeep@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It is, but LEED was kind of a flash-in-the-pan fad for tax breaks and hardly any developers strive for a LEED certificate anymore (exception I've seen is govt projects). the cost of LEED certification is too much for most developers to stomach.

Nowadays I mostly see LEED as an extra set of letters in a person's email signature.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Perhaps LEED should be replaced by a bunch of smaller certifications, each covering only a tiny subset.

It is nice to have one logo you can stick on a building, instead of lots of them. But after a little pushing it could be normalized to have a spot for multiple plaques near the entrance of a building, showing which certs it has earned.

Then you have a lower bar for entry and owners can choose a la carte what they want to strive for, and disregard the rest.

Like, a sound isolation rating on an apartment building would be a huge selling point. Have a certifying company that brings in big speakers and microphones and tests room-to-room sound conduction. Then you get a certification for the soundproofing.

I guess the nice thing about private cert authorities is anybody can just do this. It would take a while to get recognized but you could solve the two-sided marketplace problem pretty easily.

[-] slowwooderrunsdeep@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

LEED kinda works like that with the different levels. LEED Gold checks off requirements a, b, and c; LEED Platinum also includes d and e, etc. I'm not LEED accredited, though, so I can't speak to the finer differences.

There is a new standard making headway called WELL Certification . I'm not sure the difference between this and LEED but I'd be interested to learn more one day.

[-] yacht_boy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

First, IBC has had this as code for at least 15 years.

The International Building Code (IBC) establishes minimum requirements for airborne and impact performance of multifamily buildings. The minimum code requirement is STC 50 and IIC 50. Since many factors can affect the transmission of sound in the field, including non-standardized source and receiver rooms as well as construction tolerances, a field measurement (ASTC or AIIC) of three to five points below the lab measurement is acceptable to meet code requirements.

As the understanding increased of how STC and IIC ratings correlate with occupant comfort, the International Code Council (ICC) issued ICC G2-2010, “Guideline for Acoustics,” which established two additional levels of acoustical performance:

acceptable, defined as STC 55 and IIC 55; and preferred amount of isolation as STC 60 and IIC 60

Second, all the money is most definitely not in the land. As a general ballpark, developers want the land to be under 1/4 of the total cost of the project.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Nice. How effective is that minimum standard? Most currently existing buildings are of course older than 15 years so most people won't have experienced it. Sadly these days anywhere remotely urban has way more than 1/4 the cost as land, espically for already existing buildings

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