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Ah, so that's why they do not actually try to kill them...?
Why are they not just bombing those 2 millions is that is the case? Why use roof knocking and then precision bombs when they actually want to kill them all?
Dropping 2000lb bombs in refugee camps is not "precision bombs"
"precise enough."
For context, the largest bomb dropped by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan in a populated area was 500 pounds.
The New York Times: Visual Evidence Shows Israel Dropped 2,000-Pound Bombs Where It Ordered Gaza’s Civilians to Move for Safety
Then why does it fit so well with Israel's history of violently conquering their neighbors?
Refuge camp by name only or actual refuge camp?
You mean like Israel bombing the designated safe area multiple times, or bombing civilian caravans, or bombing ambulances, or bombing hospitals, or killing hospital patients, or
Man, upwards of 90% of ALL munitions expended in Afghanistan by Coalition forces were guided 'smart' munitions. Afghanistan, as you may note, is not incredibly densely populated.
Israel has been using about 50% 'dumb' unguided munitions in Gaza, one of the most densely populated regions in the world.
Tales of exceptional precision in this campaign are propaganda bullshit.
Even if all the males 14+ are automatically considered combatants, the civilian death ratio would be 70% minimum (being women and children). That's on top of Israel creating a famine, extreme water crisis, destroying the majority of medical infrastructure, and extremely limiting foreign aid (to a fraction of what was needed prior to Oct 7).
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The population density of Gaza as a whole is roughly one-tenth of Mosul and yet the civilian deaths accounted for the same effort are significantly less in Gaza as compared with the 2017 capture of the Mosul. I am not sure why anyone on earth is expecting the IDF to magically do better than the world's largest coalition in history in OIR. Urban combat sucks for everyone involved.
You made a whataboutism argument that flagrantly flies in the face of the core point, which is that Israel's government & military are currently controlled by a radical right wing, crypto-fascist, ethno-supremacist, and hyper-religious political party that has members who have OPENLY AND PUBLICLY SUPPORTED ETHNIC CLEANSING. Why you feel the need to counter that point with, but, but, but, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS MOSUL is truly just frustratingly stupid. I don't support the mass killing of civilians in their own homeland anywhere in the world. Why is that so fucking hard to understand?
You are not the arbiter of truth.
The popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its merits or validity.
No, it has become an echo chamber of anti-genocide sentiment but please, don't stay here any longer than you really need to.
Your comments are being deleted? I think dissent is a good thing, but I also wish you sourced your own claims
For your convenience:
https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
https://forward.com/news/470923/israel-land-conquest-1967-occupation-six-day-war-plans/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/12/17/born-without-civil-rights/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-repress
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Cablegram_from_the_Secretary-General_of_the_League_of_Arab_States_to_the_Secretary-General_of_the_United_Nations
https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/palestinian-arab-congresses
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/israel-palestine-one-state-solution
https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace
You made a whataboutism argument that flagrantly flies in the face of the core point, which is that Israel's government & military are currently controlled by a radical right wing, crypto-fascist, ethno-supremacist, and hyper-religious political party that has members who have OPENLY AND PUBLICLY SUPPORTED ETHNIC CLEANSING. Why you feel the need to counter that point with, but, but, but, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS MOSUL is truly just frustratingly stupid. I don't support the mass killing of civilians in their own homeland anywhere in the world. Why is that so fucking hard to understand?
You are not the arbiter of truth.
The popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its merits or validity.
Sure, Isreal does technically have the capability to completely destroy Palestine in one quick operation, for instance, it could just use some of its almost certain to exist nuclear weapons on the relatively small area of Gaza. However, consider for a moment what the actual consequences of that or a similarly destructive action would be: Isreal may be powerful in its region, but it is not a global superpower after all. It receives considerable support from other countries, particularly the US and much of the EU, and losing that support, or even worse, managing to actually draw their anger, would put them in a dangerously vulnerable position with a fairly small population and land area and enemies on all sides. As it stands, their current actions have made supporting them somewhat divisive and politically charged in the west, but havent broadly lost them support, but doing something that blatantly indefensible might just be enough to do that. Further, the current Isreali government from my understanding doesnt have a perfect grip on popular support and power, and doing something that heinous might risk losing them domestic support as well.
Because they would be instantly villified and the world would need to react swiftly with shock and awe to overwhelm the military and remove the country's leadership.
This way, the Zionists get to relish in hearing of daily murders, slowly and torturously eliminating a race of people they deem to be subhuman, for months and years to come with the implicit support of an uncaring world.
Are you trying to say the close to 30,000 people they have killed were intentional then? If they try not to kill anyone they didn’t mean to kill? Or am I misunderstanding you?
They don't have the ordinance to do that, nor the means to fight a war on more than one front when the Arab world justifiably retaliates.