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Putin says past U.S. elections were rigged
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And watch MAGA eat this shit up.
Why would putin lie about such a thing? I'm going to blindly believe him since it confirms my existing beliefs.
I mean, he does know a thing or two about rigged elections.
I don't know, technically killing your opponents isn't really rigging the election.
Rigging an election is something subtle, and Putin doesn't really do subtle. They don't even bother to make their murders look like accidents anymore.
MAGA and tankies. I'd say strange bedfellows, but honestly, they're not that different beyond what shade of red they prefer to be painted.
CCP Red or Kremlin Rouge
I prefer them in Ukrainian Missile Crimson
Cosplay communists.
No one who's an actual communist would support Yeltsin and the Oligarchs' friend Putin.
You're discounting the many actual communists that are also actual idiots.
Idiots who truly believe in communism, but also think that the fascist Russian government and the equally repressive Chinese one are that.
Is the tanky in the room with us right now?
Considering we're on Lemmy? In all likelihood, yes.
Well, I gotta say that you're the first person I've encountered that didn't immediately feel shame for randomly bringing up a totally irrelevant political faction after that question. I suppose the next question is, what do you consider a tanky? Anyone left of democrats? Or do you have a more specific definition in mind?
Edit: downvote me all you want, but this is a legitimate question. I'm a type of anarchist that advocates for mutual aid, industrial unionism, and a complete decentralization of power. I've been called a tanky because I support tenant unions.
I’m literally standing in the position you described and no one has ever called me a tankie, if you think China and the USSR were/are positive forces for common people, want to accelerate the collapse of the US, and/or have Anakin Skywalker tendencies (“then they should be made to”) you’re a tankie. If not you most likely aren’t a tankie
Don't bother. Tankies and their apologists don't argue in good faith.
Lmao, so you're calling me a tanky now, because I dared to ask a relevant question about your opinion?
Sorry for not falling for the "I don't know what a tankie even is here on the Fediverse, but I'm also 100% sure that they aren't a problem and you're exaggerating, pwease spoon-feed me what it means"
So you're just going to ignore the weaponization of the word across the political spectrum to the point where it's actually a pointless accusation?
If you think I was JAQing, I'll dispell that right now by giving the brief history for you and others. The origin of the term Tanky is from British marxists who used it as a term to seperate themselves from other British marxists that supported the brutal crushing of a worker revolt in Hungary, and has since turned into a term (by, for, and directed at) leftists that unequivocally support totalitarianism coming from a leftist perspective. Some leftists have also expanded that meaning to be people that identify with Marxist-Leninism. Others still use it to degrade people that want a scientific analysis of the successes and failures of other socialist projects. The alt-right uses it to disparage anyone with leftist sympathies. Liberals picked it up and use it to disparage people left of liberals.
Sorry for trying to have a common understanding I guess.
Yes, we're going to ignore it, tankie apologist. Because it doesn't exist. We know what we're talking about when we use the word.
Don't want to be called a tankie? Well, don't be one. It's that simple.
Common language is essential to understanding for a conversation to move forward. Case in point, I want to know what the USSR did well and I want to know what their failures were, so we can make an attempt at a better socialist experiment and prevent a Stalin from cropping up. An important part of that is seeing past the decades of propaganda and loaded language in the coverage of Western media. Seeking that kind of knowledge is known as scientific socialism. More than a few people call that "tanky", despite not fitting the definition of "unequivocally supports totalitarianism".
Looking for the truth on the USSR and Russia's socialist period is absolutely fine. What I don't want to see here or anywhere is people making excuses for genocide under the pretext that the atrocities have been committed by reds or ex-reds. That shit is unacceptable.
The word tankie can absolutely be misattributed, yes. But it's not a significant problem. The criticism mostly comes from good-faith, actual leftists, who have nothing to gain from smearing campaigns and know what they're talking about.
The existence of people on Lemmy (aka tankies) cheering when innocents die because they happen to be born in the wrong country is revulsing, and a bigger issue.
I consider it's misuse a much bigger problem than actual tankies. Tankies are a vast minority in leftist spaces, even on the Internet. They are a totally irrelevant faction to anything, especially national politics. I suppose we won't see eye to eye here.
On the rest, I absolutely agree. I'm the active mod of !leftism@lemmy.world and our top rule is no genocide denial. Every comment I've removed on the subject has been in support of Israel killing civilians, so I don't think it has anything to do with tankies in the first place.
If you hadn't replied to PugJesus, this would have remained a comment among many others, and reduced the visibility of antitankie comments. Now, you've made this a whole thread.
Just let it slide. Don't jump to their defense. Let the actual tankies marginalize themselves into oblivion and you'll help solve 2 Lemmy problems at once: tankism, and abusive antitankism (since there won't be a need for genuine antitankism anymore).
What could have been a quick "aye, fuck tankies" is creating entire threads, and makes us talk about it.
Do you consider Michael Parenti a tanky?
Never heard of him so I couldn’t say one way or the other
Fair enough I suppose. He's a historian and political activist, and one of the most prominently published marxists in the later half of the 20th century. He wrote classics like Democracy for the Few, Black Shirts and Reds, A People's History of Ancient Rome, Against Empire, To Kill a Nation, and many more. He was one of the faces of protest against the Vietnam War, and broke off his friendship with Sanders because Bernie supported the bombing of Yugoslavia.
I just realized I have one of his books in my audible library, I’d counter recommend The Philosophy of Social Ecology by Murray Bookchin and The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow, based on the ideas you described two comments ago I think you’d get a lot out of both
I'll have to check them out, honest to goodness I love expanding my understanding of political philosophy.
How does he view something like China or Stalin?
He hasn't written or given many speeches about those topics from what I've seen, so I couldn't say for certain.
OK, too bad. They'd be quite telling
Aren't you tired of conversations like this? It doesn't matter what label any of us use to describe our political views. We don't have the power to implement them. Those that do don't give a fuck what we think. We're all just yelling at the perceived other while we watch things deteriorate.
Actually, I am. I'm sick of purity tests, infighting, and a disorganized left. That doesn't mean that I don't have any power. I have local power; we all do. I have tactical agreement with Democrats for a progressive future, that doesn't make me a Democrat.
I can influence local politics to have a progressive local government. With enough people doing this in their local government, we influence regions and states to be more progressive and push the country forward to a more equitable and just society. My weapon of choice is organizing a union at my work. Once we win, I'm going to organize my apartment complex. Once we win, I'm going to organize my broader community.
No alliance is possible with cosplay communists defending genocide. It's not about purity.
This 100%. The Russian propaganda to right wing talking heads pipeline is just so painfully obvious.