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Tobacco use declining despite industry interference: WHO
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Fuck cigarettes AND fuck vaping. I fucking hate how many people vape at gigs and in line to places. Like fuck off, don't bring me into your bad decisions, keep them to yourself.
I agree with you that inconsiderate vapers need to fuck off, but when used for its intended purpose, helping adults quit smoking, vaping literally saves lives.
I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medication for 10 out of the 18 years I smoked but it just didn't work for me.
Then I went from cigarettes to vaping high nicotine to gradually tapering off until I was vaping nicotine free and then not at all. I haven't smoked OR vaped for over 3 years now.
That is the best way for the transition. I clearly wouldn't have an issue with that kind of vaper because they're not ripping fat ones in my face and instead trying to better themselves. Like you did. You should be proud, I can't imagine it's that easy to get off of an addiction.
Thanks, I AM kinda proud of it, heh. Like all addiction, though, you can't do it before you're ready and have the exact kind of help you need.
About a month after I quit smoking with the help of vapes, I quit drinking with the help of a one week anxiety medication regimen my GP prescribed for the mental withdrawals (in spite of being a way too heavy drinker for many years, I was lucky enough to never get physical withdrawals).
With alcohol, I had tried a few different kinds of counseling, trying to force myself not to drink and even being forced to take antabus which can make you really sick if you drink on it, but all of it was either bad timing, a bad method for me or both.
Sorry if that was too much of a tangent lol, I can tend to veer verbose a bit at times 😁
Nah, it wasn't too much. It's where the conversation landed. And I'm glad you're in a better place :)
Vaping is not intended as a smoking cessation product, it is a cigarette alternative. It happens to help people quit cigarettes, but the tobacco industry does not give two shits whether it does or doesn't. Vaping is addictive and still pretty bad for you.
There are no studies that have shown yet that vaping is bad for you long term...and don't send over the studies with the popcorn lung or the study of them literally burning a dry wick.
Nobody gives a shit what it was intended for when it helps people kick two pack a day 25 year cigarette habits.
Like me. And a few others in this very post's comment section.
I'm glad they're helping you kick cigarettes. Vapes are an addictive nicotine product, they weren't created to do anything but get nicotine into people of all ages.
Sorry, but your opinion doesn't match reality in this case.
https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-vaping-who-invented-e-cigs-2019-10
The inventor of vape juice and the methods for vaping it, was a doctor who was trying to kick his own habit.
And it is not 'helping' me. It helped. I've been off cigs 7 years, and vape for 2.
That's just factually inaccurate.
By better simulating the habit than other methods. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to make the connection. You have to be a special kind of stupid to confidently deny it, though.
True, but they're not the ones who invented vapes. In fact, they and organizations sponsored by the sales of "traditional" smoking cessation products were the most ardent advocates for outlawing vapes, for obvious reasons. That some of them have bought Juul and other vape companies is just a cynical way of getting rid of the competition by devouring it.
Which is why it's meant for adult smokers only. It's still nowhere near as addictive and harmful as tobacco, though, so even if you DO accidentally replace one addiction with another, you're still better off than if you had continued smoking.
If only i can say this to people who drive.
Yeah at school I see people vaping all the time. Just saw somebody on campus the other day take a huge huff of it the other day. Those things are huge. I keep thinking it might even be more dangerous than regular cigarettes probably because of its gargantuan size and the ease to just suck up a cartridge without a lighter.
I definitely think because of the ease of vaping people use it to a greater detriment than they would if they just smoked cigarettes. No matter how much better a single vape puff is compared to a cigarette puff, for some, one in every ten breaths is around their vape it seems. That, long term is going to fuck shit up, surely.
I definitely think flavored vapes should not exist. The point of e cigs and vapes were to transition tobacco cigarette smokers to quit smoking. Having flavored vapes with shiny packaging appeal to little kids a lot so they're keeping addicts on with nicotine in another form and introducing younger generations to more dangerous habits. These things pop up in middle schools and high schools all the time, sometimes even in elementary. It's a terrible issue for schools around my area.
You know who the VAST majority of people using flavored vapes are? Adults trying to quit smoking.
The flavor makes quitting easier for adults both by making the vape taste good AND by making cigarettes taste much worse in comparison.
When I first started vaping many years ago when the technology was in its infancy, I started with tobacco flavor. The taste being almost the same made it much more tempting to go back to cigarettes since they have additives in addition to nicotine to make them more addictive.
When doing flavored vaping though? Taking a drag on a cigarette tastes absolutely AWFUL. As bad as it tastes to someone who's never smoked before, if not worse.
Without flavors there's a big chance I wouldn't have been able to quit 3 years plus change ago and I'd still be smoking today, shortening my life by decades.
Banning adult smokers from buying flavored vapes WILL kill people by making them unable to quit smoking.
And as for kids, guess what? In every country that has even CONSIDERED banning flavored vapes, it's already illegal to sell vapes to anyone under 18. So in stead of killing a bunch of adults by taking away their best chance of quitting, you could just enforce the laws that already exist!
That's a unique perspective. Thanks for sharing. Really changed my perspective on the flavored vapes. My perspective was that you don't need flavored vapes, only tobacco because that's targeting the cigarette smokers anyways