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hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by blakeus12@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry

edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can't make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating. to quote comrade RedQuestionAsker:

It's good to challenge white supremacy in all of its incarnations at all time. It's certainly good to refuse to be proud to be white considering what the concept of whiteness is.

It's another thing to performatively hate yourself in a cocktail of millennial self-deprecation and liberal white guilt. It's not revolutionary, and it's probably not good for you.

that is all. comrades just know i dont hate any of you. i'm not trying to start a slapfight. i just saw this as weird performative behavior and wanted to call it out.

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[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 46 points 7 months ago

we are losing our way

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It doesn't need to be racist to be cringe or unhelpful

Honestly I thought these jokes were funny 3 or 4 years ago but have we not beat the dead horse enough at this point? It's just overplayed now

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

We can reassess it’s necessity when the underlying critiques of white supremacy stop being relevant

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago

In the last 24 hours one of the biggest of these threads can be distilled down to saying "Skiing is white supremacist for only being in places with cold climates", "snow is racist", and "sports that do not specifically cater to me and the place I live are inherently bourgeois." People just blew up a thread about skiing bitching about the gear being expensive in California, imagining that people would make fun of them for using old gear (most people think retro gear is dope), and saying that it's problematic because it doesn't exist in [places where snow does not fall]

Half of the threads that are ostensibly about hating white people are posted by a couple of users who mostly post these types of threads very clearly as a form of self harm.

These arguments are not as productive or relevant as you think.

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a "half cracker" to dismiss their discomfort with posts they feel are hateful or self-hateful.

I think we should be able to recognize that there is a line crossed by some of these posts where they aren't really jokes anymore, and actually reflect essentialist ideology. that's a lack of theoretical understanding, and worse, a lack of kindness and empathy for different perspectives.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a "half cracker"

wtf

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

Essentiallist ideology and a lack of theoretical understanding

this There is one thing, exactly one thing I agree with right wingers about, and that's that white guilt is liberalism

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

"cracker is not a real slur and cannot be used in a genuinely hateful way"

Hexbear: you wanna bet?

[-] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don’t think they’re self harming. I read them and all I can see is “please please please please please please like me” with a little “lol jk” to make it go down an easier.

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

There very definitely are some users who clearly post when spiralling and will post a handful of very clearly self-harming posts each month most of which get removed by mods for being buckwild, and maybe one of which from the beginning of the spiral gets left up and then becomes one of these struggle session posts you're talking about.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

I don't want any comrades to self-harm, yes, even if they are white

k-pain

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

yeah it was kind of annoying

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

I don't think they educate anyone in that. If one finds them funny, one is already well convinced of critiques of white supremacy. They're jokes, not education.

I just want more creative jokes tbh

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah I don’t think their utility is educating, I just imagine they’ll stop being made once there’s not a white supremacy background to joke about.

[-] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree. I would never expect my post, or any post, to make that not happen at all

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Where's the critique in these recent posts? Where's the jokes really?

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

i'm not saying we cant clown on mayos but come on. there's a certain point where it stops being making fun of white people and crosses into weird self-hatred and white guilt and stops being funny.