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This is not me saying at all that Trump is better than Biden; it's more of an equalization argument that I truthfully can't see a fiscal difference.

It's been well known by people like us that the two bourgeois parties are basically the same, but I never really understood how close they were until the last like, 6 months.

Maybe it's JUST Biden that's super similar. But regardless, I just don't see the difference. He spews nice words about trans rights, workers, all of these good things. But the exact same shit that happened under Trump basically happened under Biden. Funding for genocidal states, proxy war funding, funding police, loss of abortion federal protection, separation of kids and parents at the border, etc.

People keep saying Biden is marginally better, where?

I don't know. I can't bring myself to vote for any of these guys this time around.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Hypothetically, Trump's second term could be worse than his first term, so if Biden's first term is basically as bad as Trump's first term then maybe Biden's second term would be better than Trump's? Maybe? Honestly at this point its arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

[-] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I feel either candidate (or rather- either side) is going to escalate things up several notches, with their next hypothetical term. Frankly the chances that either goes full fash (while claiming to be defending democracy, of course) seems incredibly high- though all that said, I blame the "establishment" primarily for this as I see their behavior as akin to lighting multiple Reichstag fires, and furthermore I see them as the infinitely more dangerous, unhinged, and yet also, competent of the two sides.

If Trump is the incompetent proto-fascist (he is IMO), Biden and co. (and by "co" I mean- the entire US political "establishment" and blob) are the competent ones who are living out what he could only dream- and using him as a patsy, a boogieman of an excuse to do it. And the process of using Trump and Trumpism as an excuse, has opened a political Pandora's box- whichever side (though they're both irredeemable and well on the road to fascism) has the means to do so, increasingly has to utterly destroy the other through lawfare (or hypothetically- worse) to ensure its own safety- that's my take on it.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Lawfare seems to be more of a liberal thing because ultimately they are ideologically committed to their institutions and laws and norms. Trump and Trumpism are more vulgar, the only commitment is to power and so they just make up new laws and norms whenever it suits them with little interest in preserving institutions. I think that's really the only strong difference between the two camps.

[-] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago

I'd generally agree with what you're saying- with the caveat that I don't think either side is overly interested in preserving institutions, at least not beyond what means those institutions serve of legitimizing their diktat and extracting further wealth and colonial plunder. That's what it all boils down to, end of the day.

Liberals care about the appearance of their institutions and laws,, but I don't think I'd even say they're particularly committed to what those laws, norms, and the purported mandates of their institutions stand for. Certainly, I'd say they're the ones lighting a torch to the (rotten, granted) institutions across the west at the moment- if only to replace what was, with something decidedly worse.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'll use the liberal attempts to remove Trump from the ballot as an example. Liberals cook up a way to use existing structures to legally sabotage Trump's electoral chances, and when the Court blocks them they will just give up because they'll respect the Court's decision. They're ideologically committed to it.

If the Court somehow finds in Colorado's favor and lets them remove Trump (they won't but let's pretend), Republicans would retaliate by removing Biden from their ballots for no legal reason. They'd just do it, they don't care about legality or the Court's legitimacy, only results.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

I see your points but I'm not sure that Republicans would have the power to do that.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They might not! But they'd definitely try because they don't care about the law and see it as the toothless obstacle it really is.

[-] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Lol yeah pretty much except there's no pretty violins it's just gun violence and war planes

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