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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

Yeah these guys weren't anti war. They were pro Hitler.

Kind of like the GOP is pro Putin.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

"Forty years ago Germany proclaimed the slogan: “Germany above everything. Germany for the Germans, first, last and always. We want peace; therefore we must prepare for war. Only a well armed and thoroughly prepared nation can maintain peace, can command respect, can be sure of its national integrity.” And Germany continued to prepare, thereby forcing the other nations to do the same. The terrible European war is only the culminating fruition of the hydra-headed gospel, military preparedness. "

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

She's absolutely right. And she identifies the core problem too. It only takes one country. So we're trapped by the prisoner's dilemma. There is a multiverse slice out there somewhere where Democracy solved these issues because proponents of military build ups were voted out everywhere. But it's not our universe. As long as there's a state building hard power to fuck with other countries we're all trapped.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Democracy governing with good sense and moral integrity? That sounds a lot like entropy reversing itself. Possible in theory, but requires access to an infinite number of random universes to actually witness.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago

Eh, military unpreparedness, to compare, leads to becoming a victim.

And (some) democracy, (relative) equality and all that (including trade and peaceful life being perceived as something more honorable than conquest) in Europe were historically spearheaded by United Provinces, Hanseatic cities and all those guys who were militarily prepared.

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because Germany, as well as any other european state at that time, was a genocidal maniac who shouldn't be trusted with guns. However the Germany of today is far removed from those times and rivalries. And we're not even talking about Germany, but the EU as a whole. We are talking about Europe, was a community of states, providing the protection themselves that they enjoyed by the US in the past.

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