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Move follows Alabama’s recent killing of death row inmate Kenneth Smith using previously untested method

Three of the largest manufacturers of medical-grade nitrogen gas in the US have barred their products from being used in executions, following Alabama’s recent killing of the death row inmate Kenneth Smith using a previously untested method known as nitrogen hypoxia.

The three companies have confirmed to the Guardian that they have put in place mechanisms that will prevent their nitrogen cylinders falling into the hands of departments of correction in death penalty states. The move by the trio marks the first signs of corporate action to stop medical nitrogen, which is designed to preserve life, being used for the exact opposite – killing people.

The green shoots of a corporate blockade for nitrogen echoes the almost total boycott that is now in place for medical drugs used in lethal injections. That boycott has made it so difficult for death penalty states to procure drugs such as pentobarbital and midazolam that a growing number are turning to nitrogen as an alternative killing technique.

Now, nitrogen producers are engaging in their own efforts to prevent the abuse of their products. The march has been led by Airgas, which is owned by the French multinational Air Liquide.

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[-] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 110 points 5 months ago

Nitrogen hypoxia sounds like one of the best ways to die, without pain or panic, but I completely understand why no company wants to be the supplier of the means of executing people. Small volume, small profits, extreme controversy. What’s to want there?

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

It sounds like a reasonable way to die when the individual doesn't know what's going on or is accepting/willing. As an execution method it's shit.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well, disregarding the normal fear of death that would be there regardless of the method, I think the issue is the mask. It would be much better to just fill the room with N2. You can do this easilly enough by evaporating liquid N2. Of course, this would not be "medical grade" so people would complain just to complain.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

We could also just not kill people. Kinda seems to be at the root of this problem.

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Yeah the mask and timing is what caused that one prisoner to be in so much suffering since he knew it was going to happen imminently so he held his breath.

If it were done gradually over a period of like 30 minutes, he likely wouldn't have noticed and just drifted into unconsciousness.

[-] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago

Or put the mask on then switch it to N2 without him knowing when.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A lot more difficult to do without him noticing and the "feared" mask on his face and potential to vomit into the mask would still be an issue.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah the room option is better in that regard.

It would need to have some hardware interlocks engineered though for safety reasons. After turning on the gas, you won't be able to physically open the door until the ventilation system removes the nitrogen after the execution.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You could do that although N2 gas is not that dangerous. Just opening a door to a well ventilated room will get rid of the gas. It is not poisonous or anything. Its not like you are doing this every week that you get lax about procedure.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Just not true! The execution method requires a willing or unconscious victim. Why do people think any type of asphyxiation will be nice and peaceful regardless of the gas used? (yes I understand the "science" behind using this gas.) but what if the person holds their breath, or account for the added adrenaline, or the person hyperventilating. I can go on. It's not medically sound way to execute people. Honestly, this is the same lies they pushed about previous humane execution methods. "it's painless, the science is sound." I promise you, after about 5 more "botched" executions using this N2 method it'll be abandoned.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

"What if the person holds their breath?"

Then it'll take maybe a minute longer, and their last words are gonna be "BUH! Huh! Huh! Huh! ...huh."

"or account for the added adrenaline"

No oxygen in brain, brain die. I think you lied about understanding the science.

"or the person is hyperventilating"

Yeah, what if they breathe no oxygen faster?

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Is there a medically sound way? What does "medically sound" even mean? Theere is no patient who is supposed to survive.

It is the best way of execution I can think of short of explosives near brain.

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