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Ayaneo next handheld is going to use SteamOS (www.dexerto.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to c/steamdeck@sopuli.xyz

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The SteamOS pre-installed on NEXT LITE is adapted and optimized by AYANEO based on HoloISO. Users also can install Windows system by themselves after purchasing NEXT LITE, and download Windows driver from AYANEO official website.

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[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 153 points 7 months ago

Good to see someone using Linux for their platform on these handhelds. The big reason I don't want to try the Ally or whatever the others are doing is I can't imagine Windows is making the experience better.

I don't really have evidence to support that, but more Linux investment is better overall.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 81 points 7 months ago

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago

Its decades of abstraction hell.

In college, we learned about how old certain systems were inside Windows XP. And already, that was getting pretty thick! So when I hear things like Win10 has x feature all that way from Win95, I mentally scream.

[-] Schmeckinger@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

There is a windows 3.1 database menu in windows 11.

[-] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

To be fair to Microsoft (I can't believe I actually typed that) it's not something they can just fix without splitting Windows into a consumer and business SKU that is significantly different from current Windows. Currently the only real difference is the amount of control the end user has over the platform, but the features are pretty much the same. To make a fully "modern" version you would basically have to build Windows from the ground up to eliminate all the cruft. There is no money for Microsoft in that. Better to focus on business and let the consumer complain.

[-] Andrenikous@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

The thing is at this point with all the effort Microsoft has been putting into making Windows more linux like they could literally make future versions of windows a new Linux distribution and heavily invest in improving wine/proton to run legacy windows applications. That eliminates all those decades of ancient Windows code and keeps compatibility.

[-] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

As a long time hand held user, Windows is dog shit (I mean, in general, too)

I stopped buying handhelds because of how many problems they had, until I got a steam deck. Now I'm back to being super interested in the market.

GPD Win's were cool for what they were, but so many trivial issues related to windows.

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[+] NoneYa@lemm.ee 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

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[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 36 points 7 months ago

Honestly if it runs steamOS, I don't even think it could be considered competition. They're on the same team.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because of how good Proton has become, I'm considering dropping Windows and switching to Arch for gaming at my next upgrade.

Two players developing improvements to Steam OS and Proton can only make things better.

[-] SuperIce@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn't have an Nvidia GPU I think I would've already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO.

[-] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact!

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again.

I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out.

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago

Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out!

[-] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand!

[-] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 7 months ago

If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it.

[-] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha.

The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head:

I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top
Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite
Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image
Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes
It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!)

For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it.

With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it.

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[-] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there's a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you're used to the applications.

[-] psudo@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don't work.

I've played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 7 months ago

None of the other handhelds were competition either. Ultimately they'll all be used to sell games on Steam.

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago

That's partially true, but Valve's long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows.

Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won't have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store.

It's not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they'll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options.

So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It's also why they're pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative.

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[-] mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://ayaneo.com/article/806

Here is from their website which also says "AYANEO NEXT LITE comes pre-installed with the SteamOS gaming system for the first time".

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 18 points 7 months ago

It's interestingly an 800p display also.

Someone is actually paying attention LOL

[-] greybeard@lemmy.one 12 points 7 months ago

Of all the things I would upgrade on the deck, resolution isn't one of them. I have never seen a game look blury on that tiny screen. That said, a lot of them are using higher res panels probably because it is what they can find in bulk.

[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Text intensive games are hard to read at times on the deck. Magnifier helps, but not ideal. Games like Against the Storm or some digital board games would benefit from higher resolution.

[-] greybeard@lemmy.one 5 points 7 months ago

I always felt that was down to screen size more than resolution.

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[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 6 points 7 months ago

Any word on what the hardware specs are? Someone there used their brain and loaded up SteamOS, but the hardware needs to be worth the jump or it’s just a steam deck clone.

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They specifically said "it's not a powerhouse". It's supposed to be a lower power device with a big battery, capable of playing less demanding games for a long time. SteamOS also makes a lot of sense for this goal, since windows handhelds get pretty terrible battery life in low power games. The price is supposed to be low as well, although it's not clear yet if that's just low by Ayaneo's standards or if it will actually be cheaper than the deck.

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[-] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Sweet. It will be a great opportunity to see what SteamOS can do on non-valve hardware.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 22 points 7 months ago

Note: There is currently no confirmation that Valve is involved with supplying the SteamOS image to Ayaneo.

Probably running modified Chimera, is my guess.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

But honestly, I kind of hope Valve is involved, beating windows at this part of the market is going to do great for Linux and maybe set a precedent for other handheld makers.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago

They definitely should be cooperating just for the sake of ensuring updates to drivers, etc, are pushed upstream and maintained properly. It makes OS updates much easier for them when they don't need to recompile and tweak stuff every single time they pull Valve's most recent kernel updates and whatnot

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Was about time! 😆

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 12 points 7 months ago

Interesting choice to include Aperture Desk Job onscreen in this shot

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago

Why do you say that? It works on PCs. All you need is a controller. The game adapts to the controls you have and the ones you lack.

For example, on my Steam Controller, when it asks you to press the four buttons on the back, pressing the two paddles on the SC emulates the Deck's two on one side and two on the other.

[-] Carter@feddit.uk 11 points 7 months ago

Finally a Deck rival I might actually be interested in.

[-] lyam23@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Except it's not. It's been clarified that it's using HoloISO.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 7 months ago

Close enough.

[-] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

heck yeah

[-] mateowoetam@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago

What happens to AyaneoOS then?

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 21 points 7 months ago

From what I heard, they decided to use SteamOS instead. They wanted to avoid "fragmentation", although I'm not sure that would really be a concern for Linux.

I imagine steamOS is going to be a more polished experience than AyaneoOS would have been, and hopefully have better support/updates.

[-] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 7 months ago

what likely happened is they l9oked at the work they would need to do, then looked at the outcome they would get, compared that against SteamOS and concluded that slightly rebranding it would be the better option (think custom boot splash, maybe more launchers pre-installed)

[-] donuts@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Great news and I'm sure that more will follow.

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