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Russia stares into population abyss as Putin sends its young men to die (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[-] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 6 months ago

Note: This is from last year. The numbers are much higher now. Ukraine puts the number of dead Russian soldiers at 376,030. The US says it's 315,000 personnel.

Either way, if those numbers are anywhere close to the trugh, then Russia has already lost ~50% of the personnel that the entire Soviet Union lost in its 9 year-long invasion of Afghanistan. And the fallout of the war in Afghanistan contributed a lot to the fall of the Soviet Union.

[-] Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

Assuming there's 20M Russians aged 20-44 (4M/slice of 5 years), that's around 2%. Low enough to hide it from most.

[-] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago

That's what the Soviet leaders back in the day probably thought too.

[-] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: "9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)"

Until they have to mobilize the more dense populated area, it's just a number game for them I guess.

Oh, and compare to Ukraine, it's pretty dark.

"41th Ukraine 36,744,634 -7.45 % -2,957,105" in the later column, Migrant listed as 1,784,718 assuming fled the war. so should be part of that -2.9m decline number. I don't know what happened to the other 1.2m.

[-] Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure how reliable those #s are.

[-] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

They are all estimates from UN or WHO. So not accurate to the digits.

[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 22 points 6 months ago

Amazing how one person can cause so much death and the citizens don't rise.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Russian mentality. The ultimate subjects, taking pride in enduring whatever the fuck the government kills them for next.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago

That's not Russian mentality at all. It's more that people don't believe that they can change things anyway - but Russians are in general not to much into their government, I would say quite the opposite of ultimate subjects.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip -3 points 6 months ago

Thats text book russian mentality: part of why nothing changes over there is because the people are willing to endure terrible living conditions, governments sending them into the meat grinder, corruption, virtually anything wrong, out of a weird mix of stubborn pride and stoic resignation. Perfect subjects: hardy, accepting, nationalistic.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago

Have you ever been to russia? The mentality is more of a general not giving a shit and nothing really matters. People don't like or trust the state in general (some love it in stockholm syndrome kind of way) and laws are more like an inconvenience. The corruption is deep ingrained into society and does not just come from the government. Funny thing if, you read Leskov it appears it's been like this since before the revolution almost 200 years ago.

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 6 months ago

It's what Timothy Snyder called "the politics of inevitability" in his excellent 2017 book, "The Road to Unfreedom." I highly recommend said book to anyone who wants to understand Putin's larger project. It's almost like Snyder had a crystal ball that he could see into the future with.

[-] CybranM@kbin.social 7 points 6 months ago

Loads of people are dying because of political decisions in other countries too and you rarely see uprisings, only difference is that in Russia the cause of the deaths is more obvious

[-] Louisoix@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Sadly, he's far from being the first, and I'm sure he won't be the last.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 2 points 6 months ago

He’s pulling conscripts from rural areas now. When he runs out of those, and turns to the cities, it may be a different situation.

[-] Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org 9 points 6 months ago

Imagine how much better the world would be if every dictator's personal guard dragged them out into the street and handed them to mob justice...

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 6 months ago

I've set my city to Moscow on Tinder and have been cleaning up

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago

I find the numbers in the article odd. 30 000 fled to Finland based on it, and that's actually the amount of Russian nationals in Finland now. (80 000 Russian speaking). It's as if there were 0 before the war, which cannot be true.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

True, but we don't know how many exited Finland so it could be a wash, no?

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We Finns do know. Our border control is very strict. We know who enter and if the same person stayed or left.

[-] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I don't know why but I read this like you're cutely teasing us with information you have but you'll never give.

[-] Beefcyclone@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Nowt new here, Putin doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself. If it takes the entire population of Russia that's a rice he's willing to pay to be in power, he knows the moment he's not at the top he's dead.

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