This won't be popular, but I LOVED his first two Trek movies. Acting was on point without making a caricature of the original people. The call backs in the Kahn movie were great. Both were exciting, engaging, all that.
I have no idea what happened in the third movie. Tried to watch it 4 times. Still never finished it, can't tell you a thing about it.
Begin my punishment. My body is ready.
I definitely enjoyed the movies, but at the risk of sounding like a gatekeeper, they didn't really feel like Trek. It felt more to me like an action sci-fi in the vein of, say, Avatar, with a coat of Trek paint to lure the fans in.
Still enjoyable, mind you, but not really something I remember when I think of the Trek universe.
The '09 Star Trek movie, judged on its merits as a Star Trek movie, was a pretty good Star Wars movie.
No I completely agree with you. Without those first two Abrams Trek movies, I probably wouldn’t have ever watched any of the Trek shows.
Him and Rian Johnson fucked Star Wars though. Completely ruined it for me and I refuse to watch any new Star Wars content.
I will honestly say that, as someone who did not like Rogue One (I seem to be in a small minority), Andor was one of the best sci-fi series I'd seen in a while. I recommend watching it. It's only barely related to the rest of Star Wars. There's no Force or Jedi in it.
Rogue One and Solo were my two favorite of the Disney abominations. They were solid movies. Andor was amazing and could be watched by anyone who liked sci-fi: the story was compelling.
If they told more stories about not-jedi or troopers, it would be great.
Yeah Disney seems to think that if they're not constantly bombarding us with references to characters and stories we're nostalgic about, people will lose interest. Doesn't matter if the story is shit, if there's a Skywalker popping their head into the frame every few minutes saying "remember me?", people will love it.
Andor proves that all we want is a good fucking story.
I hated the 2009 movie and Into Darkness, but Beyond was okay-ish.
(Apparently unlike you, I care about ridiculous plot holes so big they destroy the entire premise of Star Trek -- after all, (a) how is Starfleet anything but a farce if a mutinous cadet can be promoted straight to captain, (b) what's the point of starships if you can just beam between star systems, and (c) what's the point of any dramatic conflict if you can fuckin' cure death?!)
The third one was just…fine. Like I’m so ambivalent towards it, I don’t have any feeling about it.
I was the same, can't remember it now but it was said to be the best by a lot of people.
Khan was a mockery because of the takeout and magic blood.
The worst part was that Khan was already "brownface" with Montalban playing him, but then they literally made him white.
Not just white, but the whitest man on Earth with the most English name ever.
You mean Burlington Coat-factory?
"on point and not a caricature" you say? https://youtu.be/k9vHopyEtzs?si=nBc7zRs0_h29MNMl
Right? I like Zachary Quinto as an actor, but that Spock was not Spock. And yes, I know, the Kelvin Event changed everything... so why not just invent new characters instead of shoehorning new personalities into beloved ones?
Because JJ doesn't have original thoughts, but sure does love to pander to nostalgia!
B/c like modern AI, it was more "cost-effective" to simply take the older ones, and do whatever they wanted with them, regardless of our consent.
And just as lazy.
Heaven forbid we have all original characters. We can't even have them in Disco and SNW and I like Disco and SNW... but Star Trek and Star Wars both have this Dickensian issue where every show has to be connected to every other show not just through the worldbuilding that has already been done, they actually have to share characters at least sometimes. As fun as crossovers can be, if they were even just kept to a bare minimum it would be nice.
They're doing a Starfleet Academy show next. I assume it will have Tilly in it. What if it had zero characters in common with any of the other shows except for the very occasional crossover or reference, and maybe never with any of the main casts of any of the other series?
Lost and Star Wars are unforgivable sins.
Early Lost was solid. Then, we got the other "others," they killed off the best character, and the ending everybody predicted (which was vehemently denied) totally happened.
I said this elsewhere in the thread. I was with Lost all the way to the end. I kept thinking, "okay, we will get answers." And then we got to the final episode. Most of the mysteries were not answered and the ones that were did not get very good answers.
It pissed me off as much as the last episode of BSG pissed me off for the same "let's just throw everything we've built out the window, fuck it" reason.
Competent Director, and completely incompetent story teller. Just like Rian Johnson!
Oooh yes. it wasn't enough to lens flare any joy out of one of my beloved star franchises, you just had to snoke your way into two of them! If you lay hands on Stargate now as well, I'll go auldimately insane!
If you lay hands on Stargate now as well
Wait, no. What?
Is this a thing that's been talked about?
The problem is he makes decent-to-good original films then slaps a thin veneer of franchise on it. Zero respect for what he's actually making a movie of.
His constant hurling of "mystery boxes" at us was annoying enough. Things like Luke's lightsaber and Maz Kanata's "that is a story for another time"... really? REALLY? Abrams had no backstory for this, at all, he just threw it in there as a fetishistic compulsion, along with so many other things. Which is why none of his stories land in the end.
Speaking of which, then there's his ending TFA in the middle of a scene, as if this was an episode of "Lost" and stay tuned for next week's installment, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel.
But the clincher for me is the completely lazy disregard for science and how science works. Instead of doing the homework to at least try to approximate reality, he just did whatever got him to the next page of the saccharine script, to put whatever characters together because it was convenient for him.
In the process of all this, he made the galaxy feel small and flat, instead of vast and grandiose.
We as a culture need to realize that JJ Abrams is just a less edgy Michael Bay.
They both take beloved franchises and do everything they can to kill any interest the old fans have while failing to make something new and interesting for the younger fans. Then they fall back on the aesthetic of the old parts of the franchise, without any of the charm, and keep the same story structure and bad jokes as their new version of the franchise.
I'm conflicted with Abrams. I actually liked The Force Awakens and thought it had alot of potential (despite the seemingly unoriginal story), though JJ Abrams seems to have a history of starting things he can't seem to finish on his own. Last Jedi went off the rails and Rise of Skywalker was just trash. I just want to know who the hell in Disney thought it was a good idea to move ahead with the Sequel trilogy without a clear story or plan on how to proceed with the trilogy? Ultimately Kathleen Kennedy greenlit that shit, so I think she's to blame, but how in the hell does one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet agree to something like that without it being worked out in advance. At a time when some movie series were getting filmed back-to-back-to-back, how in the hell did they not have a cohesive story figured out beforehand?
But Fringe was amazing!
Fringe started amazing, then hit the wall fucking hard in the final season. Classic Abrams. Even he didn't know what was really going on and when he had to start explaining shit it fell apart in a right hurry. See Lost for further examples.
I honestly don't mind his movies. Movie Trek has always been action for the most part anyways and, also, would kind of fuck up the characters. Hell First Contact turned Picard into a mentally unhinged action hero.
Also I still say Kirk being a rocker fucking fits yo.
Also I still say Kirk being a rocker fucking fits yo.
Except that it's like calling you a rocker because you listen to Vivaldi. Star Trek used to pretend music ended with classical. Then J.J. decided to pretend it ended with the Beastie Boys.
Now don't get me wrong, I like the Beastie Boys and Sabotage is a terrific song... but it would be a weird quirk like Alex listening to Beethoven in A Clockwork Orange, not a sign that he's a rockin' rebel.
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