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submitted 2 years ago by Wordplay@hexbear.net to c/history@hexbear.net

Can someone please recommend me some reading or watching that isn't entirely infused with cold war rancor towards the USSR?

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[-] LeninWalksTheWorld@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Soviet Storm: WW2 in the east is pretty cool

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwGzY25TNHPC_SsXFcIH-ba0nWuNbHOM6

These guys also make great weekly videos about WW2, "in real time"

https://youtu.be/TRvzqDzgmPQ

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

These guys also make great weekly videos about WW2, “in real time”

They're unabashed anticommunist shitlibs, though (especially Spartacus), to the point where they unironically cite Robert Conquest as a source. I remember someone pointing out how hypocritical (and borderline Nazi-enabling) their condemnation of the Soviet Union was, only for the channel account to go on a tirade about muh human rights 100 gillion dead and ban the "extremist". I will give it to them that they don't make claims like the Soviets were just as bad or killed more than the Nazis, but that's because the bar for lib pop historians is abyssal.

That said, yeah, their format for covering the war is great if you're willing to mentally block out the usual shitlibbery.

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not completely related, but here's an argument for Stalin / the USSR being responsible for beating Imperial Japan:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

[-] Wordplay@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Another good one is this counterpunch piece which describes the Soviet rationale around the build up towards the Nazi invasion of the USSR, the millions of Polish lives saved from occupying eastern Poland, and also the wholly justified Winter War up in Finland.

It's funny how weak the propaganda coming out of the west is and has been for the last fifty years. Oh, leader x's actions don't seem rational? That's because they're insane, not because we're lying to you as if you were children.

[-] lott@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

This might be of interest. The Myth of the Good War: America in the Second World War by Jacques R. Pauwels

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

anything remotely serious about the eastern front specifically will tell it like it is. hell watch ww2 era US propaganda

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

it's fucking maddening. I think we need English translations of Soviet documentaries

[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I had an idea for a movie the other day. A parody of how Americans view their actions in WWII, and how that view of the war has infected other nations through movies.

All the historic allied eccentrics (Jack Churchill, Digby Tatham-Warter, Audie Murphy, e.t.c) get put together on a supertroop tasked with killing higher-ups in the Nazi regime. As a recurring gag, whenever there needs to be bodies between the protagonists and certain doom, its The Soviets.

[-] MaoistLandlord@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Soviet preemptive invasion of Poland: bad

Soviet-British preemptive invasion of Iran: good

:us-foreign-policy:

[-] bluescreen@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

British and French were ready to pre-emptively invade Norway. Had troops right off the coast ready to disembark. Germans beat them to the mark by a day or two. They then smoothly switched gears to an "intervention" and the corporate media covered for them.

[-] DoubleShot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

In WW2 the British kinda/sorta invaded Iceland against their will. Ostensibly to "secure" Iceland from falling to the Nazis but the Icelanders weren't really given a choice in the matter IIRC.

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Hey now,

Libs also ignore Poland invading the Easternmost bit of huwhite Czechoslovakia just as it was being nommed by the Nazis.

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