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[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 9 months ago

Can we get a list of companies NOT doing this? I'd assume it's going to be much shorter.

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 41 points 9 months ago

All these AI and machine learning companies are taking content directly from websites and ignoring robot.txt files.

If your content is able to be crawled, even without being listed on search engines, I don't think it really matters.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

It might help proof an AI company against legal issues that might be brought about by their using the content. If they're ever sued by Automattic, then they can just point to the deal and say that they bought the data from them. There's much less ambiguity.

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 3 points 9 months ago

You are correct, about the legal stuff. These companies are being sued all the time.

Doing this deal also makes processing the data a lot easier. Being handed a big ass database would be a lot easier than crawling for content.

What I posted was about how they operate. These companies showed time and time again that they don't really care what data they are taking or from whom. They will even take their own AI or machine learning content and put it in their own system.

[-] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 66 points 9 months ago

I work in marketing, and every client I work with who has a WordPress website is using AI to write a lot of their content. This is going to lead to circularly trained AI for sure.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 23 points 9 months ago

Are you sure your clients aren't AI also

[-] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Dead internet theory in action

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

It was half dead and suicidal even before AI

[-] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

No way for me to know. My programming doesn't allow it.

[-] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

pretty sure this only applies to .com wordpress not self hosted

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[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 44 points 9 months ago

I'm assuming this just relates to WordPress.com rather than the open-source WordPress.org but it's still a bummer. I've worked with the open source platform for over a dozen years and have started to kinda loathe what it's turned into but I'm not sure I'm yet at the point where I'm ready to migrate a bunch of sites to something else. This could be that push if they keep going down this road.

God, am I getting too old for this shit? I'm a pretty technical person but this AI nonsense is just relentless. I'm not philosophically against the idea of AI as like any tool it has the potential to better the world, but every tech company and their dog are going all in on using it for commercial bullshit that seems to provide very little value to society. Even fucking Mozilla is going in that direction.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago

Mozilla seems more towards local and privacy preserving AI Dev, no? Both are really lacking in the space IMHO

Like I'm not interested in what the collective of digital knowledge looks like behind several corporate filters and giant rent seeking moat.

[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

True, and I get that realistically they do need to diversify away from Firefox ... but it still feels bandwagoney to me given that seemingly every tech company (and Wendy's) are piling into the AI train all at once. Like I said, though, I think I'm just getting too old for this.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

They were already making some good work in the field before but they trended away from it.

Honestly it just seems like they struggle with follow through.

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[-] Traister101@lemmy.today 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's the new NFTs and Crypto but it's not blatantly a scam so the companies that skipped out on those sure as shit will be hoping onto AI

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

There's already several WordPress plugins to block out Generative AI. I expect the community to have a less than chipper attitude about this over Automattic.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don‘t really know what to say to cheer you up. Industrial revolutions are as important and exciting as they are painful, even dreadful to many. I’ve seen no signs of this one being different. There will be a lot of losers before we can expect wide spread benefits for society from it. The current working class will suffer great losses and will have to fight so another can reap the benefits later.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

Bro...tumblr is full of some WEIRD FUCKIN SHIT YO

[-] RadicalCandour@startrek.website 21 points 9 months ago

Hey now, Don’t kink shame the weirdos

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

I know because I was one of those weirdos lol

[-] swayevenly@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Got 'em.

Sad they're doing this with Tumblr though. It was fun but I just deleted my 10+ year old account.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

haha its been about that long since I even logged into mine.

[-] swayevenly@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I heard now is the best time to check it out

[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I, for one, am looking forward to the rise of generative AI trained on 2014 tumblr, hallucinating Superwholock jokes where they don't belong, cosplayers dying themselves grey in a bathtub, and DashCon references where nobody expects them

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Bro this shit is gonna make AI UwU

[-] donuts@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

Funny how all of these social media platforms that were so happy to describe themselves as "the public town square of the internet" or whatever are now claiming that they own everything that everyone ever posted. So, which is it? Because it obviously cannot be both.

[-] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Depends on the day it is more convenient in.

[-] Squire1039@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

both

Town-square when they lure you in, they own everything when they sell you ass off.

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 25 points 9 months ago

Shit like this should be opt in by default. But no. Instead of respecting the users they count on ignorance, forgetfulness, and obfuscation for this kind of fuckery.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Anything to make a buck.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I always thought it was scummy as fuck that WordPress.org, a 501c3 nonprofit, is allowed to funnel business to WordPress.com which is a completely separate for-profit entity.

They are even allowed to trick people into thinking they are the same by using the name and trademarks, which they explicitly state you cannot do. But wp.com gets a free pass for some reason? Scummy as fuck.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah I’ve never liked Wordpress. But it’s pretty much the defacto CMS for noobs. I always have used my own self-built CMS’s on frameworks like Laravel but it’s not really practical for non-tech people or even businesses to self develop their own CMS unless they have really specific needs.

I’m going to be honest, I didn’t even realize that Wordpress.org existed and was a non-profit; I just thought making the source available was something they did because you can’t really not do that as PHP framework.

[-] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago

It's crazy that it sounds like paying customers might also have to opt-out.

[-] SuperSynthia@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Not only am I really glad to not be on tumblr, but this further shows I shouldn't use wordpress for my website even though there is an opensource version

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[-] LunaCtld@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I welcome this change actually. Now users can clearly see what others have been saying forever: If you don't pay for the product, you ARE the product.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

And sometimes when you pay you’re still the product. Smart TVs, occulus, etc

[-] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

If you don't pay for the product, you ARE the product.

Well, that's not always true. I don't pay for Wikipedia, am I the product?

[-] MossBear@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Explain how I'm the product relative to Linux.

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[-] kirbowo808@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

Well, time to delete my Wordpress account then. Gonna be a lot of content I gotta archive before then. ;-;

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

All of this is predicated on having some company that can afford to pay and wants this data. Or, the next tech bubble will just be VCs throwing money at AI companies training their models on the old internet.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


To complicate matters even further, advertising content that isn’t even owned by Automattic, including ads from an old Apple Music campaign, has also reportedly made its way into the training data set.

The plans at Automattic have been so controversial internally, that a product manager has even started pulling his own photos off Tumblr to make sure they’re not used to train AI, according to 404.

Generative AI has become a big business ever since OpenAI first launched ChatGPT in late 2022 and text-prompt image creators soon followed from a number of companies.

But major publishers have complained, with some even filing lawsuits, alleging that much of the data used to train these systems was either pirated or doesn’t constitute “fair use” under existing copyright regimes.

In response to emailed questions on Tuesday, Automattic directed Gizmodo to a new post that more or less confirmed 404 Media’s reporting, while trying to sell the move to consumers as an opportunity to “give you more control over the content you’ve created.”

We also plan to take that a step further and regularly update any partners about people who newly opt-out and ask that their content be removed from past sources and future training.”


The original article contains 536 words, the summary contains 201 words. Saved 62%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wish I had content and data to sell :(

Oh, wait, I do. But companies are already selling it :(

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Remember when Xitter started selling the checkmark and now every platform is rolling out something identical? What about Netflix cracking down on sharing and adding ads to their lowest tier? Yeah this is that.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

In the 2000s we had AdSense. So now we're getting... AISense?

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Matt's selling it.

The teams at Wordpress and Tumblr have made it known that they absolutely don't want this shit.

[-] Nikelui@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago

I wonder if there is a text equivalent of Glaze and Nightshade, to perform adversarial attacks on AI scraping the text.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

We could frump car weasel achieve this toad affiliate by hand.

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