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Ok, I can get sort of disagreeing the wildfires are from climate change - that's a couple of logical steps you have to make. But "It's not causing anyone to cough" is plainly ludicrous. It was making me cough when I went outside.

"It doesn't smell bad"? Maybe they have COVID and lost their sense of smell altogether? It certainly smelled bad to me. And if you thought it smelled great - wow. I just don't ever want to be around you if you like those sorts of smells. I can't see it actually working with anyone who's ever been in wildfire smoke before - like you don't need science or education or anything to notice if it makes you cough, or tell something doesn't smell great.

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[–] feetongrass@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don’t get this weird need to be contrary to everything, doesn’t it get exhausting?

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

It comes from the same place as the deeply held but mutually exclusive beliefs that the government is both totally stupid and incompetent but also so capable and efficient that they are somehow carrying out massive conspiracies on the entire citizenry.

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They're not just doing it to do it

well that's part of it, but it's mainly "if we accept that climate change is real, then it's us who are at fault for it; as such we need to discredit and downplay it and anything resulting from it"

like they have a vested interest in saying that it's not a big deal, it's a conscious choice that they're making; they're not being stupid (or at least not in choosing to deny this)

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[–] Radicalized@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People I work with are infinitely suspicious of the wildfires. They say shit like, “Hmm, isn’t it odd they all started around the same time?”

Yes, Jeffrey, that’s how wildfires work. Entire biomes burn to the ground if the conditions are hot and dry for long enough.

[–] owenp@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's a "Trudeau started the wildfires as an excuse for carbon taxes" narrative that is insanely popular among the Canadian right wing.

I've even seen some "15 Minute Cities" theorists claiming the fires are being lit in order to "drive people into the liberal cities so the government can control them".

It's just entirely divorced from reality.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago

Some 15 minute cities critics really make me laugh when they fail to realise the area they live in is already a "15 minute city" with a school, grocery store and library a stone's throw away, no car or bicycle needed

[–] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean, to me (in the DC area, so not nearly as bad as it was further north) it just smelled like a campfire outside to me. It wasn't a particularly offensive smell.

But I could FEEL that the air quality was bad every time I took a breath, and I don't have any kinds of respiratory issues.

[–] Seraph089@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

It doesn't help that there was a landfill fire nearby right when the wildfire smoke was blowing in. Or that VA was trying to keep it quiet so everyone would just blame the Canada situation for the air being so bad.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok, if you were further away it could have smelled different. Up here in NY it smelled like burning trash and plastic and chemicals. It was horrible. I was referring to people who live in the same small town as I do, so they had to smell the same thing.

[–] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

To be clear I'm not downplaying how terrible it must have smelled in more heavily effected areas; I didn't mean to come across as doing so.

[–] gabuwu@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I kind of gave up trying to convince my family that this isn't healthy, especially my high risk family members. I don't get why they just don't seem to care, especially the ones with major health problems.

[–] CHollman82@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I don't know why it's so hard to understand that breathing particulate matter into your lungs isn't a good thing... A child should be able to understand this. My 10 and 12 year old INSTINCTIVELY understood this... they pulled their shirts up over their nose on their own when we woke up and went outside on the first bad day.

[–] unwillingsomnambulist@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same ... it's clear that attempting to convince my own family is just as effective as speaking to a charcuterie board. Want to breathe the smoke? Fine, go ham. I'm fresh out of pity for the science deniers.

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[–] Lakes@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm 38 with good breathing but I have multiple sclerosis. Wildfires make it so I'm unable to move my legs or do much of anything. It's real and some people are idiots.

[–] gabuwu@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

I effectively grew out of my mild asthma when I was younger (especially as I stopped being around cigarette smoke), so I had a bit of a panic when I had symptoms for the first time in 10 years last Tuesday before I learned why it looked like a doom map outside.....

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

What's that saying, where's there's smoke there's liar?

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

I've also been seeing so many comments on news posts about the fire talking about how they are intentional fires.

I don't understand how these people are allowed to spread such misinformation 😔

[–] Tsukuy0mi@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Eh, right-wing media says a lot of things. This is definitely one of their takes of all time.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are basically living out "Don't Look Up".

[–] Lumina@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Think of all the jobs the wildfires will create!

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Let's be real. A lot of these people don't actually believe anything that comes out of their mouth, but if they think it'll trigger a liberal they're down with it.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I especially don't get this "dying to trigger the libs". Interesting tactic I have to say. I am not compelled to try and trigger anyone - are they all trolls now or something? I have more interesting things to do than to cut off my nose to piss someone else off.

[–] overfox@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think there is a lot of pride to be conservative coming into play here. Hard to explain, but I sometimes see this in my family. They proudly present their ignorance to show off their conservativism, hold it in front of them like a banner. When I inquire a bit deeper their views are often a bit more reasonable, it just feels like average boomers wanting to be cool by flaunting their ignorance, as weird as this sounds.

[–] pieceofcrazy@feddit.it 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it feels like most right wing people are more progressive than they think.

I'm not from the U.S. but everytime I talk with a conservative we agree on a lot of things once they stop talking with slogans

[–] overfox@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

That's my experience too. Often when I talk to people they have pretty moderate or left-leaning views that would fit well in any of our more left-leaning parties. However the majority of them still votes for our biggest conservative party, which openly promises and does the opposite of what they claim they would want in a conversation. Frustrating.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, there are likely lots of people like me who remember having smudge fires to keep the bugs down when working outside in the country or how a campsite smells.

But, living in Alberta, with the air quality rapidly going to hell, the notion that breathing this stuff in day after day even if only when outside is somehow not harmful is ridiculous.

I often find with really nuts conservative ideas there's this kernel of truth that they are based on. The conservative focuses on that, the progressive focuses on the crazy parts. I am not excusing this. The lack of critical or deep thinking is a serious problem. All I'm trying to say is if you meet them in reality you might be able to find some common ground and maybe help them see another point of view or learn a little yourself about their perspective. Doesn't quite work that way dealing with online trolls but occasional can in person.

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Well yeah, they wouldn't want to be a stupid science bitch.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The documentary Behind the Curve explores this idea a bit. It follows die hard flat earthers around their daily lives to get to know them a bit more.

There's a running theme throughout the movie that these people weren't very happy with their lives prior to becoming flat earthers. Joining the "movement" gave them instant friends and a sense of direction. There's subtle hints now and again that most don't actually believe the Earth is flat, but they feel like "coming out" would ruin their reputation with their new community.

I get the sense that a lot of right wingers feel the same.

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[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think its disingenuous to say that right wing media is saying this. Most right wing media I've seen does not deny that the smoke is dangerous. While some people have claimed that there is little to no health risk, as far as I'm aware no one has tried to describe it as "a good thing". The article you linked has no purpose but to spread baseless hate and negativity, much like most right wing media.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'd say it's inaccurate to claim right wing media in general is claiming it's a good thing, but as for anyone claiming such, well, there's an example in the article

Greg Kelly on Newsmax blamed them on “our woke friends to the north,” before describing the smoke as “manageable,” “not an unpleasant odor,” and “a beautiful, interesting aura.”

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

I read the article, this is not an example of a claim that its's a good thing. Sure its a laughable attempt to downplay how serious it is, but he in no way claimed it was overall a good thing. Manageable means it is negative but not significant, he isn't praising wildfires and begging for more of them.

[–] taj@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've been coughing a lot, while working outside the last few days. I'm in Ohio, and it doesn't look particularly dusty or smoky, but my lungs can sure feel it.

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[–] avail@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

#NotTheOnion

[–] redpenguin@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago

Anyone remember when COVID was "good for you"? How did that turn out for them?

[–] gumi@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Right wingers and being wrong, how surprising

[–] maynarkh@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

You just buy a big slab of meat, put it on a coat hanger on the patio, free smoked meat!

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You don't need a high level of education to know you shouldn't inject bleach into your system to kill COVID-19, and yet people died listening to Trump's suggestion.

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[–] MatFi@lemmy.thias.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

Why not tell them that KCN is actually an extremely healthy mineral and get rid of this Problem once for all!..

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

“This doesn’t kill anybody, it doesn’t make anybody cough, this is not a health event,” he added, contradicting public health experts and basic common sense. “This has got nothing to do with climate. This is wildfire smoke. This is natural. This is not because of climate change. This is not because of fossil fuels.”

Seriously, we should start making laws that put rich powerful assholes in jail when they start spouting obvious lies that make the world a worse place.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

I can get sort of disagreeing the wildfires are from climate change

Eh, no. Wild fires would also occur without climate change, but anybody denying that climate change isn't making wild fires (and a hundred other things) worse is not making a "couple of logical steps", they're denying science.

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