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DISCUSSION: Episode 12 (sopuli.xyz)
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Dungeon Meshi is a well liked manga, and an adaptation by Studio Trigger is now airing. If you haven’t picked this one up, consider joining us. Both for fun and as a way of contributing to activity on Lemmy.

Episodes are available to stream on Netflix.

Last weeks episode ended on quite a cliffhanger, with Laios holding his sisters skull. We now find out how that turns out, with Marcille revealing what she's really an expert in.

Forbidden magic. The dark arts.

Using an illegal spell, she brings back Falin from nothing but bones, using the flesh of the dragon to fuel the spell.

And so, this arc concludes. With the gang, now joined by Falin, cooking up some goddamn dragon!!

Remember not to spoil anything if you’re a manga reader, but feel free to elaborate on tidbits of lore that may not be coming through in the adaptation.

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[-] wjs018@ani.social 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Alright! Falin's back! Mission accomplished! Everybody lived happily ever after, right? Right???

One of the things I find interesting about how this season has played out is that this episode feels like a pretty satisfying conclusion. If this was a typical 12-episode single-cour anime, this would feel like a perfectly natural point to end the season. It would have given the casual viewer a relatively satisfying conclusion and the more interested viewer with some really interesting plot hooks to move some manga sales. I don't really know if I have a point with this, but just found it was interesting how neatly the story lined up with a typical seasonal anime's pace. In any case, we are going to dive straight into part 2 next week. I will be sad to see one of my favorite EDs disappear, but alas...

Welp, now that we have Falin back, there is something different about her... There are two things that I think are pretty non-typical about Falin's resurrection:

  1. The "Dark Magic" ritual that Marcille uses
  2. The flesh used for the ritual came from a dungeon monster rather than livestock that is typically used

I suspect that both of these are going to be important in unraveling what is different about her (I don't have much to speculate about #1 yet). We have had a couple breadcrumbs already about how magic flows and works in a dungeon, a topic that Falin was an expert in per the school flashback. I suspect that her new proficiency with magic like not needing to chant, is due to her body having been constructed from dungeon monster meat. This also ties into the whole cooking conceit of the show. A recurring theme this whole time is how novel and unusual it is to consume monster meat. Now, Falin has taken this to the next level by having a body constructed using monster meat, perhaps letting her channel the magic in the dungeon much easier.

The other side of this coin, I suspect, was hinted at this episode. When they were preparing the ritual, Laios asked about whether the ritual would revive the monsters as well and Marcy helpfully explains that monsters aren't cursed in the same way humans are, so they can't/won't be revived. I am guessing now that Falin is made from monster stuff, that her soul might not be bound to her body in the same way it was before.

Finally, I am curious where the gang goes from here. Do they actually backtrack their whole way through the dungeon to the surface? Do they go hang with the orcs again? Maybe help Senshi be the janitor of that other floor for a while? Not sure what the plan is going forward, but I am sure we will find out next week.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What's coming next has already had its groundwork laid down. I've been pointing out the winged lions all over the place, for example :D

But there are more blatant hints, why was the dragon active? Why was it roaming the fifth level city, which isn't its normal habitat? It caused the orcs to get displaced to the third level. Why was there a Kraken loose on the fourth level?

Who is the dark elf?

The focus on the story has been on saving Falin, but all the while, it seems to have coincided with a change in the dungeon itself.

Could it have something to do with the treasures starting to run dry, causing adventurers to delve deeper and deeper? Why does the elven nation suddenly want the land the dungeon is on back? Does Mr. Tansu really expect to decipher an immortality-spell from its secrets?

...

I fucking love this franchise.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 months ago

It is very, very rare that a piece of media brings me to tears. My having read the manga and being so fond of these characters likely helped, but seeing Laios and Marcille be relieved when the resurrection spell is successful, made me cry. It happened again towards the end of the episode when Laios hugs his sister after she healed his leg and he tells her off for getting herself killed saving the party.

What a culmination. The music and the voice acting especially made this episode emotional and special. Falin is back! What a relief! And she is absolutely adorable!! Like brother, like sister!

And boy the Farcille shippers are eating well tonight!

Time to start Falinposting along with my Marcilleposting!

Wait.... Anyone else having flashbacks to the beginning of Fullmetal Alchemist? This can't be this easy...

What manga chapter is this...? checks notes 34? .... Out of 97?!

......

Oh.

I guess that dark elf wasn't part of the paintings...

[-] wjs018@ani.social 8 points 4 months ago

Farcille shippers

I had thought that this was fairly explicit from way back when Marcy was so insistent on how special Falin was to her in episode 1 and why she needed to accompany Laios back into the dungeon. I had always thought from that point on that Marcille had viewed Falin as more than just a party member. Perhaps that is just my anime/manga riddled brain seeing yuri in places where it doesn't need to exist though.

Like brother, like sister!

Her getting excited about eating monsters was great. Up until that point I was curious if there were going to be any lasting effects to her personality, but the way she was just totally on the same wavelength as Laios in that scene made me realize lasting effects were likely physical rather than psychological.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Aside from Shuros already mentioned infatuation with Falin, romance isn't really a thing in the show.

But I do love how openly the characters show affection for each other. It's adorable and heartwarming.

There's also an age gap between Falin and Marcille that isn't too pronounced, but the school flashback along with Marcille going "you'll always be my little girl" makes me think Marcilles feelings are somewhat maternal.

Similar stuff is explored in Sousou no Frieren, where for a long-lived person, the lives of other races fly by almost too fast for them to have a chance to matter.

But Marcille is very different from Frieren, it's clear she gets very involved in the lives of shorter-lived races. Loving openly and intimately, even if not romantically.

I suspect it's likely she knew from the start that her secret talents would be needed to revive Falin then and there, when and if they found her digested remains. She was ready to do whatever it takes from day one.

She's an elven mage who was considered a prodigy, once, but now she's dungeon delving who knows why. She could be off being a respected scholar somewhere, but her choice of research subject may have burned some bridges with her own kind.

At 50, she's had plenty of chances to love and lose a lot of people. Right now, the Touden siblings are her family, she's closer to Falin, but Laios is important to her, too. She really doesn't want to lose the Toudens, likely dreading their inevitable aging to death.

[-] catalyst@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Wait… Anyone else having flashbacks to the beginning of Fullmetal Alchemist? This can’t be this easy…

lol yep, 100%. As soon as the resurrection began I thought oooh this doesn’t go well. It helps that I just did a FMA watch recently though.

[-] catalyst@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The sequence of reassembling the bones, culminating in the shot design typically used for finished meals (“BONE STRUCTURES OF FALIN AND WARGS”) had me howling.

Poor Chilchuck with “you better not be enjoying this!”

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago

Narrator: "Laios was enjoying this"

[-] arya48@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I'm so glad I found this community, was so confused when I didn't find any episode discussion in the main anime community for this show.

Another amazing episode, I dismissed the hint of romance between Falin and Marcille before but this episode really made it seem like it could actually lead to something, hope it's not just bait. Falin is so precious, crossing my fingers nothing bad happens to her.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I already mentioned it in another comment, but romance isn't a focus of the story. Characters do act openly affectionate, and there's nothing that rules a ship out, so headcanon away!

That was some very lewd hand holding for a second there :D

Also what main anime community? !anime@ani.social has been linking over here in the discussion guide and zabadoh has been making posts linking to here each week, as well.

If you're referring to !anime@lemmy.ml, it's dead to a lot of us, due to the .ml admins defederating ani.social and removing several anime communities that they used to host.

[-] arya48@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Oh I see, I do love me some romance so that's bit of a shame, guess I'll make do with my headcanon, regardless I'm loving the show.

I was referring to !anime@ani.social, them linking this community is how I found it :)

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

It just isn't a love story.

Though it's not like romance doesn't exist in the world. Something absolutely could be happening outside the depicted events, the work just isn't about that.

For example, it is revealed that Shuro already asked Falin to marry him at some point before the story began, but she turned him down.

[-] arya48@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I see, I'm really loving the show so lack of focus on romance is perfectly fine, I trust I'll end up loving whatever comes next regardless (　＾▽＾)

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

It's legitimately only up from here.

[-] wjs018@ani.social 4 points 4 months ago

/c/anime mod here!

I had been internally debating with myself for a while about how to handle discussion threads for shows like this. Initially, I had decided to allow threads in the anime community as well as this one, similar to what would happen somewhere like reddit. I even link both of them in the Winter Discussion Thread Guide. However, the community coalesced around threads in this community and it has been great to see a well-moderated, active community grow on the fediverse. I am glad that you were able to find your way here.

Going forward, if there are other communities like this one, that are actively moderated and series-specific, and they want to take ownership of the discussion threads, then I will be open to having a similar arrangement.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

I would not have minded things going either way, but my goal with setting up the community was to post far more content related to the show than would have been suitable for the general anime community.

In hopes of enhancing the watching experience with lore and additional media, spreading and appreciating fanart, etc. Maybe even pulling in some people who would not have otherwise picked up the show

Nothing would have prevented the show's community existing alongside keeping the discussion threads in the general community, but putting everything in one place has worked out well, and I think it has contributed to more fans gathering in one place to follow the show.

[-] arya48@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I don't like visiting reddit's anime communities too much, the people here I find are so much better to discuss stuff with so thanks for helping bring people together in these communities :D

[-] rikka@ani.social 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[-] ludrol@bookwormstory.social 4 points 4 months ago

Skull-Bones ~205~ + Red Dragon Blood {――――>|Dark forbidden magic} Falin

Are we sure this is how the alchemical reaction goes? I think there should be something leftover.

[-] wjs018@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Speaking of dark forbidden magic, I had no idea that lemmy-flavored markdown could do notation like that. Seems to only render right in lemmy-ui though. None of the mobile clients I tried show it correctly.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

It's really convenient that the dungeon has some kind of magic that keeps souls around.

Finding the raw materials to trade in for that is what really tripped up the Elric brothers.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

I’m going in to this series blind, so I have no idea what’s going to happen (the living armor blew my mind) but the revival!! It was so cool, I love when they change art styles. I thought she was going to stay red at first because red dragon, glad I was wrong 😆

Also wtf the kid in the door 👀 the brother said he wouldn’t keep secrets from the group, that’s a pretty big one!

[-] wjs018@ani.social 4 points 4 months ago

I thought she was going to stay red at first

I had this thought as well! I had thought she became like a blood golem or something. Glad to know I wasn't alone.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

The kid is dead.

Falin can see and speak to the dead (as seen in several flashbacks). The child is a spirit, roaming the house she once lived in.

Laios and Falin aren't really keeping a secret, he's just used to Falin talking to something he can't see.

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