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[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago

All religions are shit, some are more shit than others. Just depends on the degree to which they impede human progress by imposing arbitrary rules on their followers, offering a haven for abusers within their leadership structures and interfering with politics in general (but particularly where education policy is concerned). Negative value across the board.

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[-] Enkrod@feddit.de 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Christianity is not inherently better than Islam, it just behaves better nowadays.

And the reason it behaves better is not something inherent to christianity, but because it got dragged, kicking and screaming, into the age of enlightenment and beaten up with education, democratisation and secularisation until it had to bend or break and it's adherents decided to bent.

Islam is still more radical because it faced less opposition to it's ideas from within. The islamic world needs it's own age of enlightenment where radical tensions between religion and an educated public reduce the influence of religion on that public.

And I don't think this has much to do with Islam being younger. Islamic natural philosophers are behind some of the most important discoveries in the sciences and the Islamic Golden Age ended around 200 years, before the Renaissance even started.

If the Islamic Golden Age had not declined, today Christianity might have been the more radical religion and we might have seen a mostly secularized islamic world. It is mostly through chance that history unfolded differently. And with Project 2025 in the US, we might still see a return to barbarism and departure from secular enlightenment in the most powerfull nation puppeteered by christian extremists.

[-] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It doesn't behave better. It's coerced into being less harmful than it used to be, due to its irrelevance in the daily lives of millions of people coming from places with a Christian history, and more secular legal frameworks, which, you're right, where fought for tooth and nail.

Give Christianity a finger, and it'll take the whole arm. It's still as dangerous as it's ever been, but it's more contained than it used to be. Cf Poland, France, the Southern US, Russia on issues like abortion, feminism, LGBT rights, and even geopolitical stuff like the support of Israel thought to be a step towards the apocalypse.

The Southern US Y'all Qaeda types are proof that Christianity is just as backwards as Islam is, when given the opportunity.

Edit: I'm not opposed to you, I'm just adding more thougts to yours. Sorry if this sounded adverserial.

[-] Enkrod@feddit.de 8 points 7 months ago

It doesn't behave better. It's coerced into being less harmful than it used to be, due to its irrelevance in the daily lives of millions of people coming from places with a Christian history, and more secular legal frameworks

Oh absolutely, that's how i meant it. 100% agree.

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[-] some_guy 42 points 7 months ago
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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago

I left the church so i could do shit like this tho

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

Hey, how you doing?

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.” - Christopher Hitchens

[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago
[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

That’s the leather flag they’re flying

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 5 points 7 months ago

Heh. Got me!

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Religion has always been a tool for conservatives to wield power over normal people.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Considering their respective ages, hard line Islam is pretty much up to what Christians were up to in those days.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

LOL, this was literally an argument in favor of Nazis in the Soviet "17 moments of spring" series. We are a young ideology and movement, why do you judge us so harshly...

Islam will be judged by the same measure as everything else, by which it's an infection (mostly, Nizari-Ismaili guys are chill).

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

See when you start debating history, that's just weird. What I said is a fact, Christians 500 years ago were doing horrendous things. All religion is bad.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

If you think Radical Islam is alone I'd like to introduce you to Ireland and India. Both countries proving that radicalism transcends race and culture.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Radical Buddhist monks in Myanmar fomented a genocide. I always point that out when someone says Buddhism is the one good religion or whatever.

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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

All religions are or have the potential to be completely shit. End all religions.

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
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