273

Basically, if all I can read is a headline how can I consider it informative? A news headline has as much evidence as your average Tweet, and can be deeply incorrect through the use of clickbait.

I do use methods to get around paywalls, but knowing that some/most people won't, it seems counter-informative to solely use the clickbait headline to keep people informed.

all 25 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

Counterpoint: such articles should automatically be processed through https://archive.is when submitted and only accepted if successfully bypassed.

[-] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

An even more unpopular opinion: we should pay for good journalism.

[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Where is the good journalism at? I’ll pay for it if it actually is good journalism.

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

For actual investigative news: New York Times, Washington Post, Buzzfeed(I know right kinda crazy), Vox, and Al Jazeera.

Occasionally stuff pops up on other networks but they are the ones that consistently fund investigative journalists.

Edit: Washington Post will require vetting going forward. Amazon bought them a few years back an they have been going down since.

[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

I agree with that, but am also limited to being able to afford just a few news subscriptions. Assuming I'm not the exception, it just seems to be counterproductive towards generating discussion in a community for discussing news.

People who can only view a clickbait headline also end up not knowing the context of what others are discussing that may have paid for the subscription, and could further be counterproductive in generating meaningful discussion.

[-] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Maybe the community should tag paywalled articles, such that those posts can be wholly filtered by users not wanting to see them?

[-] chirospasm@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is an interesting take. What about a summary bot that can post article contents, cleaned up, from behind the wall?

Or: a bot that would post a web archive link, instead, to preserve privacy? Some instances take a similar approach to YouTube links by having a bot post Piped links.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 16 points 5 months ago

Sounds like a popular opinion

[-] arin@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago
[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

To be fair, I don't actually know if the article has a paywall or not anymore since I started using Bypass Paywalls on Firefox.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Which techniques are out there to avoid the paywall?

[-] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Archive.ph is my go-to 😁

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

πŸ‘πŸ‘

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 months ago

I use the Bypass Paywalls addon in Firefox. That takes care of a lot of sites. Switching to reader view in Firefox can also get around some paywalls. Archiving sites can also be used to get around some paywalls.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Thx for the info mate πŸ‘πŸ‘

[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

This is also what I tend to use

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

πŸ‘πŸ‘

[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

If you use the Ublock Origin Extension, you can paste in custom filter lists that block the loading of paywalls I use this one.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 5 months ago

It's really not hard to get around them, and paywalls differ geographically.

Using archive / bypass links as the post links make things worse: they allow shitty tabloid headlines to carry the same weight as those from legitimate sources by obfuscating the source. As most people only read the headline, it should be obvious why that's worse.

[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I hadn't considered the second part, but couldn't bundling the source with the bypass solve that issue?

Being that news communities are there to facilitate discussion, it seems counterproductive to keep people from viewing the article in question. If someone just wanted to read the headlines and not have any discussion, an RSS feed would probably be better.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 18 points 5 months ago

I always prefer the archive link in the post body. That way you have the benefit of it if you need it, and the source for the headline is prominently displayed close by.

[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

With the archive link posted in the body, that's not really a paywall anymore. I do appreciate you doing that though!

[-] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I tend to get most of my news from https://ground.news these days.

this post was submitted on 25 Mar 2024
273 points (92.8% liked)

Unpopular Opinion

6052 readers
213 users here now

Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!


How voting works:

Vote the opposite of the norm.


If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.



Guidelines:

Tag your post, if possible (not required)


  • If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
  • If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].


Rules:

1. NO POLITICS


Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.


2. Be civil.


Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...


Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.


5. No trolling.


This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.



Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS