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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 months ago

If moderates really don’t want trump to win so bad, maybe they should make some real commitments to policy changes that the left want, not just half baked, watered down “market based” solutions that get shredded to a skeleton in committee.

Moderates can scream their lungs out all they want, but talk is cheap, and if they want the left on side they should earn that and not act so entitled to their support. Trump is bad, he shouldn’t win, but why is it on the left to keep him from winning? Why is it never the moderates fault for failing to hold up their end of the coalition?

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

If I reply with STOP will these "please vote" memes go away? Because I'm gonna vote the way everybody wants me to and they're almost as annoying as the texts I get from the DNC.

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[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Hard pass there, votes are earned, and Biden has given us thousands of reasons why we shouldnt vote for him and none as to why.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

are you worried about what will happen if trump wins?

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[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 months ago

You seem mad at ME because THEY don't give enough of a shit

I've been saying it for MONTHS. If they run biden they WILL lose.

I do not WANT them to lose, I am just informing you of the outcome babe.

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[-] growingentropy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 months ago

I just can't believe it's gonna be these two losers again. This is our best and brightest?

Lame.

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[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Let's be real, this isn't about people not voting anymore.

Those of us who have resolved to vote Biden despite much of our displeasure towards the handling of Israel/Gaze were going to do so anyways. You won't convince those who have decided not to vote this way either.

Screaming at people to vote will not make them want to vote. Worst case scenario you piss them off enough that the spite vote against you. People aren't puppets for you to control by telling them what's in their bests interests and demanding they follow through. You have to work with them in a pleasant manner if you genuinely want to convince them.

But again, I don't think this is about people not voting anymore. Some people are genuinely unhappy that others are unhappy with their options for candidates. So many people on the moderate left can't be satisfied with the fact that they have such a firm grip on intelligent voters who understand the status quo. It's not enough for them to know that our options are bleak and that we have to vote for someone supporting genocide, versus letting someone who would openly participate in genocide get in office. You genuinely want us to shut up and stop complaining and to stop criticizing the current administration.

Also, the amount of people I've seen discuss implementing mandatory voting as if it wasn't a trait of an authoritarian government is insane. Maybe if our voting process had more options it wouldn't be authoritarian, but as it stands now making voting mandatory would be little more than coercion.

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[-] CabbageRelish@midwest.social 21 points 4 months ago

I’m voting for the people I most like on the ballot. Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you guys just dont want to get it do you?

i dont care about making you feel better with your right wing democrat. go actually do something about trump if you care so much.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't want to get it?

Half the comments in this thread consist exclusively of arguments addressed in the original post, and when I reply explaining it more simply they admit point blank to not reading my response and insist on continuing to not vote... and I'm the one who doesn't want to get it?

Sweet lord, there is no talking to you people.

I don't feel good about the democrat. I don't want to feel good about the democrat. But unlike some people I could name I will not assist in putting a self-professed dictator back in power.

What do you propose I do about Trump? Assassinate him?

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[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

I really don't see the point in voting when the executive and legislative branches are bought and paid for with candidates I don't approve of.

Bernie Sanders' constituents are incredibly fortunate. The candidates available for my districts oppose socialized medicine, returning stock market regulations (e.g. outlawing stock buybacks), and the 32 hour workweek mandate.

When I have someone I can vote for, then I'll vote. Otherwise fuck it, waste of my time.

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoilereffect exists that makes third parties not viable.

Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.

So what’s the hold up with the rest of the states? Consider starring a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.

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[-] Praetorian@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 months ago

It's crazy to me that you don't have a mandatory voting system. Hopefully enough on the left gets out and votes. I do have a feeling that due to tRump losing a portion of his base, he may lose simply because of a lack of votes.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Yes, vote! The Green Party needs to get at least 5% to qualify for funding.

[-] joenforcer@midwest.social 22 points 4 months ago

The Green Party and the Libertarian Party are how we got Trump the first time around. The stakes are too high.

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