Putin is ready to launch invasion of Nato nations to test West, warns Polish spy boss : ukraine

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 105 points 3 months ago

That's a BS headline made to scare people. The article boils down to "Russia theoretically has the capabilities to attack, but don't because they know the West will be angry".

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 103 points 3 months ago

Given the success of the 3 day invasion I'm sure NATO is terrified.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Im sure the Poles and the Fins would absolutely love it if he tried.

[-] Monument 5 points 3 months ago

It’s all fucked.

Russia fucks around until someone deems them worthy of finding out. Sure, it seems fun when U.S. pilots are cranking up the AC/DC and doing their hero walk on the way to wipe every single Russian airbase and fuel depot off the map, but then half of the west’s water systems, electrical grids, and networking infrastructure gets hacked and severely damaged/bricked. Russia gets hacked and grinds to a standstill. China takes advantage of the chaos and invades Taiwan. The U.S. bombs the chip fabs in Taiwan into powder, and anti-satellite operations trigger the Kessler syndrome. Maybe some of the other regional conflicts pop off, too.

The bright side is that assuming no nukes fly, we’ll see earth’s habitability improve for a while, once people starve and consumption/ability to produce goes way down.

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[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 89 points 3 months ago

I'm half convinced Putin wants NATO to get directly involved so that he can pull out of Ukraine and be like "We didn't lose to Ukraine, it was the West who once again oppresses poor little Russia"

[-] logi@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

If that's what he really wants, then I'm sure it could be arranged and nobody needs to get nuked. But it probably isn't.

[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

I'm not so sure NATO wants to play directly into Putin's anti-West narrative.

Also why would anybody get nuked lol

[-] logi@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm not so sure NATO wants to play directly into Putin's anti-West narrative.

They might give Putin that in return for his retreat from Ukraine. That would be the "arrangement". But again, I don't really believe it.

Also why would anybody get nuked lol

That's what Putin keeps threatening if NATO gets involved.

[-] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 10 points 3 months ago

He warned about nukes if the west sent artillery, and then when they sent tanks and again over HIMARS, and guess what the threat was about sending jets?

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[-] gigachad@feddit.de 17 points 3 months ago

If that's what is necessary let's go

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago

I bet that will be his playbook if Joe Biden retains the White House.

If Trump returns to the White House, Putin will get a punch card for every NATO state he annexes—for every sixth country he conquers, he’ll get a genocide “free-pass”.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

for every sixth country he conquers, he’ll get a genocide “free-pass”.

The fine print will read: may be used on past genocides to obtain this card.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago

Russia can't even succeed against Ukraine. What makes him think he has a chance in hell against the combined power of NATO? Hell, man, I'm pretty sure the USA alone would make quick work of Russia in an all out war.

[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

I'm sure Poland alone can take on Russia at this point.

[-] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Assuming it doesn't result in a nuclear war. Both nations have enough nukes to wipe all life off the face of the earth.

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[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 52 points 3 months ago

I've been saying this for a long while, but Russia's every move seems to indicate desperation.

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Desperate to leave a legacy.

[-] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago

"Stalin was an amateur. 28 million, here we come!" --putin, probably

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 33 points 3 months ago

Russia has claimed it's going to attack a NATO country since before the Ukrainian war started. They like to say it every now and then, just to remind us that they exist and North Eastern Europe is not just an unpopulated wasteland.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Jarosław Stróżyk said Putin is in a position where he could begin planning a small-scale invasion but is holding back due to the West's response to the attack in Ukraine.

"Putin is certainly already prepared for some mini-operation against one of the Baltic countries, for example, to enter the famous Narva [municipality in Estonia] or to land on one of the Swedish islands," Mr Stróżyk told Polish paper Dziennik Gazeta Prawna.

Tl;dr - We think that Putin has the capability to mount a small scale invasion, but isn’t doing it because of NATO’s potential response. But if we assume he really wants to, then he will.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

They are not going to get a quarter mile into the EU (that's 0.4 km for you Euros). NATO doesn't need to march a bunch of missiles through the streets to feel tough. They keep them ready to go at the airbase.

[-] Minarble@aussie.zone 8 points 3 months ago

Putin could put his cock in a hornet nest and jiggle it about, but would he?

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Best NATO sales rep ever.

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[-] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago

The majority of his army is bogged down in Ukraine. I have doubts about their readyness

[-] maculata@aussie.zone 22 points 3 months ago

I kinda doubt even he thinks that’s a good idea. Unless he’s truly delusional.

[-] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

That suggests his recent actions haven't been delusional?

[-] maculata@aussie.zone 9 points 3 months ago

Your argument has a strong essential basis for validity.

[+] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 3 months ago

Even if the US sat on the sidelines, the European parts of NATO would still be formidable.

[-] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And likely the US would eventually intervene once both sides had slugged it out for a while, ensuring they have a seriously compromised enemy and seriously dependent allies...and enrich themselves in the process.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

It's almost as if something like this has happened before . . .

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 months ago

And the time before that as well.

At least they're consistent I guess.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I've had to point this out to people a few it's amazing how Americans think that the US is the only country in the world with any real military might.

Even without the United States NATO still has two nuclear powers. A military that would rival that of the US on its own. Access to space assets such as spy satellites, gps systems, and communication systems. Extensive bioweapons research labs, if they wanted to go that route (although realistically they would be better utilized to research bio defenses). And more money than the adversary. They also have a population that on the whole seem to be more on board with the politicians then not (relatively speaking).

I'm sure if there was a war, the French would go on strike about it, but they always do that.

All the United States brings to the table is just more people and more stuff. I'm not saying that wouldn't be useful to have access to it, but losing it wouldn't be as devastating as some Americans seem to think.

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[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He's not winning on 1 front, now he wants to add another?

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

They barely have the manpower to push forward even in Ukraine. Then again if they ever want to do it now is the time because in a few decades they're not going to have enough fighting age men. I just really doubt this. If the current war has taught us anything it's that they would get absolutely obliterated by Nato and there are no winners in a nuclear exchange. Also them using nukes in Ukraine/Europe would mean nuking themselves too because that's the direction wind is going to push the fallout. Though that assumes they would care about their civilian population which they clearly don't.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 10 points 3 months ago

This sounds like possible intelligence, based on the hawkish tone of france lately; europe has its best interests in going full article 5 if this happens.

Unfortunately it would never happen before jan 7 and a tragic election.