Fuck Reddit.

The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.

So say mediocre minds in constant need of a narrative that's final and neat and wrapped in a little bow, all the time.

The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.

By some short-term metric here and there, I guess, if you're willing to squint while looking at the panorama. And just how does the ~~hack~~ writer define "winning" - as "not disappearing or sinking into irrelevance overnight"?
Because long-term nobody knows, as places like right here are continuing to develop and grow, are quickly becoming a viable alternative, ever more active, in a positive feedback growth cycle.

There isn't always a victor when there is a loser (and visa versa fwiw). Reddit didn't win here, Redditors lost.

They did not win. It’s like Twitter, users stayed and suffered through one poor decision after another. Then, something outlandish would happen and people would migrate to Mastodon in good size numbers. Reddit will do that and Kbin and Lemmy will grow. There are so many cool apps for both. Now when users come over there’s content and various client apps that will make their stay more enjoyable.

sure they won but i nuked my post history and stopped going in all but a few instances (still checked out a few links when i had to troubleshoot things). i was a regular submitter/commenter/voter. should/will they care? probably not. but i feel better about myself and the situation. so the way i see it, reddit won, the redditors who stayed lost, and everyone who left won.

"and as things on the internet go, the passion for the protest has waned and people’s attention has shifted to other things"

Reddit pruned its userbase: informed and competent users don't align with enshittification path.

We did it Reddit!

But wait, really? It does not sound like a real victory here. Lots of quality mods retired, people left for Lemmy, and F--K SPEZ written all over the r/place?

Is that victory?

Reddit’s valuation is down from $15B when they closed their last round of pre-IPO funding. They were hovering in the $5B neighborhood before the APIpocalypse, and I find it hard to imagine that they’ve gained significant value since then. That’s a loss of 2/3 of the investments from their institutional partners and VCs. I hardly think they’re feeling like they deserve a victory lap.

The only reason why you wouldn’t pull an IPO due to a company’s value cratering by 2/3 is because people are looking to get whatever cash they can out of it before it completely collapses. If reddit were a healthy company, the valuation tanking would never have happened. If they were a survivable company, they would have pulled the IPO and made the organizational and policy changes necessary to restore at least some measure of value.

Spez is Musking the site because, like Musk, he is watching his business crash and burn and he has no idea what to do beyond making people pay him to be allowed to create and moderate content he can then resell.

The effects of the decisions being made will not be immediately obvious, especially when reddit doesn’t publish KPIs that show they’re hemorrhaging value. Twitter is notorious for releasing clutching-at-straws metrics in order to not have to address that the company Elon paid $44B for is now worth about $20B and falling.

Firing the mods and replacing them or bringing them to heel is at best a pyrrhic victory because they have not yet figured out how to stem the bleeding, and spez idolizing Musk’s moves at twitter shouldn’t instill a lot of confidence.

Won! So scorched earth is winning now is it?

That is the same bullshit rhetoric General Curtis Lemay had when he claimed that they should just nuke the Soviets because as long as one American was left alive and no Soviets, American would "win".

I don’t care, good riddance. Fucking MySpace is still around too, doesn’t mean igaf

Reddit can continue to rot and choke on that CCP dick

Sure, reddit is still standing, but they've been poisoned and will die a slow but certain death. Lemmy however, will survive!

People expect social media services to die and rise in a day. As much as people like to think that is how it works, it isn't—Reddit itself grew slowly overtime, before absorbing Digg and Lemmy will hopefully do the same. We just have to use it, enjoy it, and recommend it to people. Overtime, it will grow, and we have to hope for the best and spearhead that.

The whole reddit thing aligned with other events in my life that pissed my sensibilities off, even more than i can usually stand, and i have learned to stand alot. It made me realize how much of my life was at the whims of greedy fucks who I don't agree with at all. Evolution through revolution I guess. woke me up in a way, a feeling that I've long forgotten tbh with you all. And that's mostly because of all of you and your ideas.

Lemmy is just good for me.

Those out for self interest are shortsighted, and what WE are doing is pushing in the right direction IMHO. Someone's gotta push and here we are.

Thats how a lot of people, including me, ended up here on Lemmy, so I'm still glad it happened. Here I feel like im in the early days of the internet again and its great.

They always were going to. Redditors have no backbone. Moderators moderate for power trips, which they need subreddits to be open for that. People go back when they want content since Lemmy is still immature to be a full on replacement. Same with the Twitter situation.

The silver lining is that this amount of disdain towards these social medias means it's a better time then ever to push new social media networks. People are eagerly waiting to jump to a viable alternative, so the network issue isn't nearly as big of a deal as it was.

Reddit won the war because your stereotypical Reddit mod is a spineless narcissist who wields their banhammer as a coping mechanism for their real life issues. It's like being an internet caretaker was the only way they could gain any kind of validation.

They could very easily have overwhelmed the site and brought Reddit's admins to their knees had they collectively disabled automoderator, unbanned every user and just refused to enforce any rules (incl sitewide ones.) But the moment Reddit started threatening to demod people, they caved incredibly quickly, or tried to pull off alternative forms of protest to piss off the admins, but not to the point where they'd be immediately demodded and purged, á la AwkwardTheTurtle.

Anyone could have seen this coming from a mile away the moment we started seeing r/pics and r/videos push dumb rule changes like expletives in titles, text only, sexy pics of John Oliver, etc...

Honestly the only good thing that came out of the API protests were iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle being permabanned from Reddit, and it's bittersweet that the hill Reddit chose to kill them on was over third-party apps.

I deleted my 12 year old Reddit account, and I’m here. I still go there, but spend minutes rather that hours. I tried Hacker News, but some posts are really technical. I hope this is a new home.

And Russia won the war in Ukraine and Donald Trump won the election in 2020.

Fuck spez.

I'm not going back

Reddit doesn't need to fall for lemmy to be a great plattform.

Why are some here so obsessed with Reddit? I'm not here to constantly read about Reddit! I understand that some of you are seriously upset about what happened and it's okay to vent for some time, but please move on for your own good.

Don't care. I <3 Lemmy. Community's great. If I could filter out Reddit posts here I would, including this one.

I don't think its as boolean as winning or loosing, i'm enjoying lemmy and haven't used reddit since :)

And yet I'm here. They lost.

Nah, they didn't win, the results of these protests are going to be felt for a while and have shone a light on federated social media. Organic growth will always trump corporate growth and greed, that's the advantage of the fediverse.

This article is b*******. Reddit didn't win, Reddit is a scorched Earth, with most of its useful quality data stripped from it. I for one didn't know what was going on for about a month, and was wondering why all the good posts were gone, it wasn't until someone explained to me what Reddit was doing and how it would cause the rest of the internet to do the same that I finally understood why everyone trashed Reddit on the way out.

Almost every subreddit folded after the management didnt collapse after a 2 days (!!!) protest, and then just went along with it with gritted teeth like Lemmy isn't a perfectly fine alternative???