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I'm personally crossing my fingers for Discord.

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[–] Nankeru@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

There isn't much left.

First Facebook with their whole meta thing, then Imgur deleting all NSFW content and images uploaded by non-registered members, afterwards Twitter and now Reddit.

Twitch made a big mistake with their new sponsoring rules, but seems like they are reverting / changing it again due to bad community feedback.

Discord had a few changes the community didn't like, but nothing ground breaking yet. But they get more and more greedy and their platform is filled with scams, hackers, bots and sadly many bad people like child predators and content which Discord support does nothing against. They seem not to care.

YouTube, well, I think they might be next actually. More and longer unskipable ads, restricting or demonetizing many videos, bad communication with their creators and less rewards for smaller creators. In addition, they might put high quality resolutions behind their already existing expensive subscription paywall. There isn't any competition which is urgently needed.

UPDATE: Bad news about YouTube continues. Just now, YouTube Ordered ‘Invidious’ Privacy Software to Shut Down in 7 Days.

Which other big social media platforms are left?

[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem with anything video is still that it costs way too much to host, unless you're a giant who already has their own data centers and massive data pipes. You can't just throw it on a cheap VPS like text-based services

[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Are you thinking of it as a centralized replacement to YouTube? If you're centralized, yeah, you probably need a data centre the size of Malta. There are decentralized alternatives (like PeerTube) where the cost is also distributed. If you're using PeerTube, you literally can "just throw it on a cheap VPS", and lots of people do, with no problems.

I think the real reason decentralized video isn't going to catch on is because video (and YouTube in particular) has not been a community thing for many years now. There are very few YouTubers who make videos to build a community or connect to a community. YouTubers are on there for money, and there's really no alternative that can both host the videos and pay out big cheques to content creators.

[–] peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@duncesplayed @kalleboo tbh most of YTs I know either run sponsor ads, or have Patreon/paid for community. It is already slowly moving away from ads system in YT, which simply does not work.

[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is a good point actually! That means they would have the freedom to move over to a new platform.

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[–] asjkk8@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tiktok, Snapchat, OnlyFans

[–] noodlejetski@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Signal would actually be a decent Snapchat replacement since it can do both disappearing messages and stories. now if only they'd finally release usernames and phone number privacy.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tiktok is Chinese military funded. It's not going away.

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[–] hampter@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't really see YouTube failing anytime soon. They have such a massive userbase, it's hard to imagine any other platform taking over anytime soon, regardless of shitty UX decisions. Creating a successful video platform like they have is an enormous challenge, the only reason they succeeded is because they were early.

[–] peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@hampter @noodlejetski @Nankeru *cough* TikTok *cough*
In all seriousness, Google does not know what to do with YT. It is very hard to monetize. They tried to do whole TV thing, which fell flat on it's face. it keeps being huge money sink, and moderation is nightmare and algorithms seems to fucking up constantly.
They can't get rid of it, because it is huge, but it is not fire sure profit.

[–] hampter@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I don't know about YouTube not being profitable, but even if they aren't, you'd be hard pressed to find a company better equipped to handle a money sink that Google. In 2022, they had a gross profit of 156 billion... I don't think they are panicking, scrambling to monetize YT at Alphabet HQ.

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[–] alehel@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

I honestly don't think the fediverse will become nearly as popular as many seem to.think. It's still complicated to use/understand for many non-tech enthusiasts, and in the case of Reddit, while people are angry, I doubt most of their users are going anywhere any time soon. Some will leave, but it's not going to be a small number.

We keep going on about how Reddit relies on it's "creators", without whom they'll die. Frankly, a lot of the highest rated content is just repost of old videos or tiktok videos. A lot of that stuff isn't original, and the deep conversations are, in my opinion, few and far between. Sure there are some communities whi h have this, but they're not exactly over represented.

[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I don't have statistics to back this up, but I'd be willing to bet an entire doughnut that most reddit users have never posted even a single comment. People with that level (dis)engagement aren't the type to seek out alternatives. They just kind of drift away.

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[–] jimmyjoners@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I just hope this is the start of an internet renaissance with less corporate control.

[–] mbryson@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It'll be hard to get people to not only detach from something they're accustomed to, but also then attach to something unfamiliar.

I tried and am trying again with Mastodon, but a lack of users I wish to follow, a more confusing premise at times, and just overall more enjoyment overall (if that) with twitter as a platform makes it a challenge.

Lemmy however has checked all the boxes. It literally feels exactly like Reddit, and honestly like a fresh start to avoid the various decisions both Reddit admins and the community itself made along the way. I'm hoping more for the latter experience than forming when diving into the fediverse, but my above statement is most likely applicable for a wide sample of people out there.

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[–] daniel@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I still like IRC and I’m surprised that it got almost completely murdered by Discord.

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[–] swnt@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Personal Knowledge Management Apps / Note-Taking Apps.

After EverNote and Co. many people got angry / fustrated.

Since I found https://obsidian.md I'm actually happy with everything - as the plugin's are open-source, it's flexible and there is no lock-in as it's all simply markdown format. ObsidianMD is just a markdown viewer - but with superious UX. There are also alternatives to that like Logseq though.

After seeing this, I cannot imagine anymore to use something like Google Notes, OneNote, etc.

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[–] swnt@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What about YouTube?

I looked online and there seems to be PeerTube at least.

[–] PolDelta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I would love for something to replace YouTube, especially something in the Fediverse, but video unfortunately has much higher storage and bandwidth requirements, so it's hard to imagine that not being totally cost prohibitive at high levels of traffic, even if it's split across so many different servers. I'd love to be wrong on that, though.

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[–] Lyxea@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Discord is doing a lot of stupid things lately i must say

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

God I hope so. Discord works fine as a voice chat and groupchat for games. But it's insane to me that people use it as a replacement for message boards or websites and hosting files. It isnt indexed so you cant google it and a groupchat is a terrible format for this. Even as reddit dies you have some people acting like a glorified group chat is a good alternative. As an addition and supplement to a message board or website community sure this is how it's always been even in the old days there were boards with an active IRC chat. As the replacement? Awful.

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[–] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Teamspeak has a pretty slick new version that looks very much like discord. Not fediverse but pretty easy to self-host.

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[–] Deestan@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

The day I don't see "join our Discord" where I would earlier expect to find "visit our forums" will be a good day.

A bloated live chat monolith is not what I want to use to discuss game bugs or podcast episodes.

[–] zerkrazus@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Agreed. Live chat has its place for certain things, but for other things a forum type interface is better suited.

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[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Revolt seems to be to Discord what Lemmy/Kbin are to reddit, but I dont see most people bothering with it unless discord makes some reeaaallly huge mistakes to piss the community off.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People seem pretty annoyed at the changes to usernames, but probably not enough to leave Discord.

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[–] noodlejetski@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

that's my biggest pet peeve, too.

GloriousEggroll, the mastermind behind modified version of Valve's Proton, posts his code on GitHub, and then links to his Discord as a place for reporting bugs.

[–] MrSalPal@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thats uhhh… interesting. Why..?

[–] noodlejetski@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the only reason I can think of is "to spite me".

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[–] rgb_leds_are_love@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

A logical extension of your post really makes you think just how much of social media post-2007 was set up on fundamentally unsustainable business models. Engagement is not a good business model! Making investors pay for users was always a bad choice and sooner or later, investors were going to ask for their money back!

It will be interesting to see how social media changes post-2023. With Meta almost vestigial (except Instagram and marketplace), Twitter and Twitch absolutely clowning away their positions, what's next? Jeff Bezos and/or Daddy Sundar reinvesting in social media?

I highly recommend watching Louis Rossmann's video on Reddit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqL-G3GFqRU&t=728s

[–] Haunting_Tale_5150@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it would take a while for any social media to have one, then again I didn't expect Reddit to shit the bed the way it has. If there's any that I think will be specifically fast, it would be Twitch.

Youtube is the least likely, no matter how many times it shits the bed, people stick to it because all the other video sharing services simply aren't supported by the big content creators.

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[–] Bubbline@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes please Discord, it is so worrying how everyone has all their private messages and content in an unencrypted app owned by a corporation who gives 0 shit about privacy. They won't even delete your messages if you delete your account/leave servers / get banned. In fact there is no way to delete all your messages

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[–] Gray@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm 90/10 on it being YouTube. I mean, they've already shit the bed plenty in the past. But with all the fediverse stuff picking up steam, Peertube is just sitting there waiting to enter the discourse.

[–] towerful@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would be awesome.
But video traffic and storage is so much higher than text and images (like Lemmy or mastadon).
The cost of running it would be pretty huge

[–] Gray@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

True. It does look like Peertube has some instances with videos hosted on them. But yeah, storage and bandwidth costs would be much tougher problems to solve than for lemmy as soon as it started to scale up.

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[–] Fearofthefamiliar@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Discord is a likely contender, but I think it's likely to be Instagram. It's got a very dissatisfied userbase, and there's already a few reasonably active pixelfed servers

[–] dzaffaires@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why is (part of) their userbase dissatisfied? I know almost nothing of instagram.

[–] nxtequal@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

As others have said, ads. The app is also overrun with spambots posting links to scams to buy followers or ForEx or whatever they're selling. The algorithm is really, really bad, at least if you're an artist of any kind. IG was one of the first apps to attempt to steal TikTok's short-form video format, which means it's hard to get your content out there if you're just posting images. And there are a LOT of content reposters.

[–] Orvanis@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Ads upon ads upon ads. And then for some it is just that it is owned by Facebook.

[–] Fearofthefamiliar@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

I'm not very familiar with Instagram either, but it's infamously bad for its users' mental health, it's recommendatiom algorithm is unreliable, and it collects a lot of data. Honestly it's possible that a lot of its regular users do like it and that I just don't tend to hear from them

[–] animist@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah I'm loving pixelfed way more than IG

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[–] cambionn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well some Discord channels are already synchronising their content with Matrix, using the room feature to mimic the channel structure. OpenStreetMaps does this for example. I wouldn't mind that normalising as at least, it stops me from needing to use Discord myself. But the fact it still synchronises back to Discord is, of course, not ideal. Small steps to the right direction I guess.

Replacement would be nice, but I mainly use it for some local communities which I expect will be the last to migrate. They barely got a start on Discord...

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[–] matt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's hard to predict - because despite the bad decisions from platforms like Facebook, Twitch, and Reddit, they are still always going to be immensely more popular than Fediverse / FOSS equivalents due to the network effect.

Despite all the bad moves from YouTube, Twitch, and Reddit, the vast majority of people aren't interested in another platform, they just want the current platform to not be rubbish, so they don't lose their current communities and contacts.

While I'd like for all the Fediverse platforms to become relatively "mainstream" that people will sign up for them, I don't think it's ever going to happen any time soon, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Absolutely right. What makes or breaks any social media platform is the ease of forming large communities (which goes hand in hand with the number of total active users) first and the user experience second.

"Fediverse" seems to suffer greatly from a UX point of view, mostly due to decentralization, which creates this isolation effect for newcomers.

Take mastodon vs twitter for example. For someone used to signing up for twitter and instantly gaining access to virtually everything the platform has to offer, mastodon has a big threshold to jump over before you can have a twitter-like experience. At least it feels like it until you get used to the experience. That's still the biggest barrier in front of large scale adoption of decentralized social media platforms.

[–] matt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Right - I think people are willing to learn things, but only if they have an incentive to do so.

Using bigger platforms such as Twitter or Reddit took some learning, but people and content were already there, this gives people the incentive to figure out how things work.

When you sign up to something like Mastodon, you have to learn how it works, and while it is not particularly complicated at all, why put the effort into figuring out Mastodon when you can just go back to Twitter and have the content and community already there for you?

[–] negativenull@negativenull.com 0 points 2 years ago

Stackoverflow (not quite a huge tech company) is edging.

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