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submitted 1 year ago by scientiam@kbin.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Will something be done about moderators owning 50+ magazines/communities and counting? Already seeing power mods migrate from Reddit trying to hoard as many communities as possible.

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[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think anything needs to be done that isn't already possible. If someone on your instance is taking 50 communities as a mod and you think it's abuse/malicious/powermodding, report them to your admin and see what they think. Other than that, just don't sub to their communities.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Liming the number of communities someone can moderate would just lead to communities with more mixed content which is the last thing I would want from a platform like this. Opting out of content I don't like is one of the best things about this.

[-] Whitt@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

What's the problem with this?

If they can moderate that many groups to the standard each community is happy with is it an issue?

[-] neonfire@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Centralized power in the hands of a few is a bad thing. People have been complaining about power-tripping Reddit power mods for years.

Because what happens when they don't mod to the standard the community wants?

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Then people leave and make a new community on a different instance.

[-] Girlikecupcake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

If you're concerned, just don't sub to them. Just creating communities in itself shouldn't really be a problem, I'd rather hope for the best than assume that every person making these is a power hungry basement slug.

[-] scientiam@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

That's fair but my assessment is rather than enabling that behavior, cut it off at the source by limiting the number of communities to be made per user. Sure, there'll be alt accounts, but it's better than just looking the other way and pulling another Reddit.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago

But that isn't the point of Lemmy.

The developers have no control over what communities get created by design.

Anyone can become an admin, so Reddit power mods can go to the friendliest servers or create their own.

The system is designed to not be able to enforce what your are describing.

[-] CorrodedCranium@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Do you think they are actively trying to become moderators of those communities or is there a chance they're trying to recreate the subreddits they're accustomed to?

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

there's no way to tell, but if past behavior is any indicator of future intent...

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

The way that the fediverse works should make it more challenging for someone to squat on communities. There are plenty of instances which means there is plenty of competition. Am I missing something?

[-] scientiam@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

That's not exactly how it works, FMA in communities and groups is usually that most users will likely consolidate towards single locations over time, lemmy.ml being one of the larger instances. Just because other communities can be created on other instances doesn't mean there is any actual competition (once late into the game), unless the communities themselves are so far broken or unusable or poorly moderated that a migration event does occur elsewhere.

It's the reason why subreddits like /r/pics have millions of subscribers and /r/pics2 is barren. Sure, it's not exactly the closest analogy, but lemmy.ml isn't going anywhere. Once adoption occurs, say in a few years time, do you think people are going to move communities?

Regardless, there isn't an argument for an individual user to be able to be moderator of several dozens to hundreds of communities.

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Once adoption occurs, say in a few years time, do you think people are going to move communities?

I don't know. This is all new to me (and thank you for engaging with me and helping to educate), so I don't know what will incentivize or discourage people from shifting between communities, but based on what little I know, I don't see why they wouldn't since there is very little friction to doing so.

Your subreddit analogy feels very apt, actually. r/pics2 might be a graveyard, but I can think of two instances where part or most of a community moved to an alternate version of the subreddit, largely because they didn't like the moderation.

Go to r/Cubs, created September of 2008. It's got a reasonably healthy 28k subs, but the posts and comments are pretty lackluster and gamethreads are graveyards. Contrasted to r/ChiCubs, which was created 7 years later and has nearly 3x as many subs and is a much more active community - essentially this is the subreddit for Cubs baseball fans on reddit.

Very similar story in r/publicFreakout and r/Actualpublicfreakouts, the latter of which splintered off from the former on largely idealogical grounds.

Many people move between them, some people participate in both, and perhaps one day one of them will "win" if the other withers away.

It seems to me a similar dynamic could play out across instances of the same subreddit name if some old reddit power mods come and squat on communities before they are fully formed. To use a fake example, potpies@lemmy.world vs potpies@lemmy.ca

[-] mcc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeh, you don't have to sub to those communities.

[-] MrComradeTaco@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

More communities more fun!!

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Squatting and similar problems should be solved by the admins of an instance, not the whole "environment". And you can be fairly certain that someone squatting on 10+ communities won't be able to nurture them, they'll be eventually outcompeted by the others.

[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

This is true. Even if there are 12 technologies and you sub to all of them, it hardly affects the end user. The true question is: which community will the users post and comment most on? Most likely the best and most reasonably moderated community.

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