car kills scooter users
we should ban the scooters
car kills scooter users
we should ban the scooters
honestly this is more carbrained than people who fetishize their giant stupid truck. so carbrained that the car, which was solely responsible for crushing the body of a child, is just not even in the picture. cars cease to exist as noticeable objects, they are simple facts, they are of the world itself.
the car is a force of nature, an act of God, the scooter is hubris of mankind.
If man were meant to scoot we'd be born with little wheels
Yes although to be fair to doublepepperoni, the other complaints mentioned are not contingent on this strange take.
A car is just the worst case scenario, but these things are routinely involved in other types of accidents as well
Okay seems like the actually dangerous thing in your story was the car??? Kids should be able to do dumb shit without having to worry about being turned into tomato paste.
Ding ding fucking ding.
I keep thinking about something I read on this site a few months ago, paraphrasing here:
I should absolutely be able to walk around staring at my phone with headphones in. Even at my most distracted, I am more aware than a child, and children should be able to walk around without getting murdered by a driver
If a child is killed by a car, that is the responsibility of the driver and the infrastructure. Not the child or their behavior. That is something that shouldnโt be able to happen.
Separated bike paths that are more extensive than the road network. Being on the same path as cars has to be the most difficult, annoying, slowest, way to get to your destination. Pedestrian barriers along most car roads. Tight roads with low speed limits so if a collision does happen no one dies. Make rental scooters and bikes free to use so that children donโt feel the need to save money by piling onto one scooter.
The solution to this isnโt taking away one of the only methods that children have to get places on their own.
Agreed, but e-scooter rollouts have basically fuckall integration with the existing infrastructure/forms of travel in a city or with standard driving education.
While they're great in theory, they should be being introduced as part of a massive overhaul of personal transportation infrastructure, education, and regulation... or at least some supervision with actual teeth behind it. But we're probably past the age of doing stuff like that, so as is it's just letting random companies step in to extract money while impinging on the rough grey area created by existing safety systems.
Eventually that'll work itself out, sure, but in much the same way that we started mandating lockout switches on Giant Blending Machines after The Incident With the Giant Blending Machine.
Kids should be able to do dumb shit
They shouldn't have access to motor vehicles to do their dumb shit on
Your complaints are indistinguishable from those levied against bikes. Multiple kids have been piling onto the same bike since forever. It's even made its way into Boomer/Xer nostalgia bait about riding around your neighborhood with your first love on your handlebars. I guarantee you the death rate is higher for kids on bikes than for scooters. I say this as somebody who loves being a cyclist and uses a bike for literally all of their chores.
Right, so ban cars to remove their access to motor vehicles (getting run over by cars)
> scooter boldly states on the front of it "do not ride on the sidewalk"
> only ever see them used and stored on sidewalks
spoiler
there is essentially zero bike infrastructure in this city, no one feels safe using the scooters on the road
Local city by me has had frequent problems of people throwing them into a river. My opinion on this is the two wolves meme.
how else are you supposed to feed the eels
We have this argument all the time concept vs implementation. Scooters seem like a great idea but when implemented by SV tech bros it ends up being a nightmare. I was in Austin tx for the eclipse and those lime scooters were everywhere. The was a dozen lying on the sidewalk in front of Amy's ice cream. Scooters abandoned on the grass in front of the capital. I even saw one on the the east-side interstate by the tesla factory. Its a shame Austin didn't just do the scooters themselves. City employees would drive around with a pickup truck and keep things tidy. Make the first three hours of use free so everyone can use them.
You got to love the silicon valley innovation of "what if we were just lazy and didn't pick up the products after people were done using them?"
in a way they took the shopping cart return problem and blew it up a hundred thousand times
The anti scooter opinion on hexbear is really fucking weird to me, real ranting "the kids these days!!" type shit and just really weird in the context of the rest of Hexbear's opinions on public transit. Like the electric scooters cause some wires to cross in y'all's minds that just breaks something
Just this week in Vantaa, Finland three 12-year-old girls piled onto one of those electric scooters you subscribe to with an app and proceeded to get run over by a car at a crossing, killing one of them
Children killed BY A CAR but let's ban the scooter?
they treat the scooters as completely disposable
idk chief maybe they can like idk charge a deposit? this isn't a situation to be like "we've tried nothing and im out of ideas, ban scooters"
almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible
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nah dawg they are super annoying as it is the people who ride them are the problem. as someone who bikes everyday, statistically i will have to deal with some scooter dbag dude (always a dude) not following the rules and making the road unsafe for everyone, whether it's pedestrians, cyclists, or drivers. never once heard them use their bell or signal.
they are one of those ideas that almost works, except when they fall short it's a shit show. i pedestrian a few miles a day and, in theory, one of those would be awesome for getting around and expanding my range of daily meandering. except the transportation infrastructure here is a contested shit show of homicidal cars pushing everyone else into unprotected bike lanes that suddenly become storm drains or delivery parking, or up onto narrow sidewalks that won't allow two normal humans passing each other to do so without one stepping off.
so on the sidewalk, i get insecure bicyclists doing the slalom around pedestrians and then these random toys whizzing along silently. when they are functioning. we've had like 3 rounds of companies come in with them and within weeks i see them littered in front yards and across sidewalks, beat to shit. because i mean who really wants to push one somewhere once it tries to extort you for more money and you're nearly there?
i think the technology might work here more easily if cars and all non-emergency vehicles were banned from existence, and then all the nice wide roads could be partitioned out and shared among the rest of us.
Surprised at the negative comments tbh. Imagine if a bike share program encouraged people to leave the bikes flat on the ground, wherever? The business model is a net negative for urban centers and needs to be at least reconsidered in several aspects.
Honestly Iโm wondering if the people disagreeing even live with this problem? Finland has excellent cycling and transit infrastructure. Scooters are not the only way people can be car-free here.
The scooters also just go too fast in my opinion, and should not be silent. It is easy for uncoordinated people to ride the scooters silently through busy sidewalks at like 25 km/h.
Even just in normal use they are dangerous, there doesn't seem to be any helmet laws(nor would they be useful considering the buisiness model) and theres absolutely no built in bell or signal for the rider to use, while also being almost entirely silent, when even bikes make enough noise to be heard without earphones in.
Even in suburban or literally rural areas you get menaced by these fucking things now, its ridiculous.
They're especially awful on twisty urban sidewalks and footpaths where you'd have trouble maintaining equivalent speeds on a bike
They're so much worse than bikes. The design encourages you to be reckless and they're not nearly as easy to control as a bike. The wheels are too small to handle uneven ground well so you could hit a bump you didn't see at 25-30kmh and eat pavement. And I've seen several people walking their personal e-scooters that have run out of battery. They're too heavy to kick push like a normal scooter whereas an ebike is still a bike if it runs out of battery.
American infrastructure and society is straight up hostile to 2-wheelers.
I'm from Northern Europe and so far it seems there's a split in opinions between US and European commenters which is interesting
One of my hobbies is when a scooter is blocking sidewalk access, like would block someone using a power chair or a mobility aid or a stroller or anything, i pick them up and bodily throw them on to something concrete that isn't in the way. Seriously considering just carrying an angle grinder in my purse and sawing the cursed things in half whenever they're blocking public right of way.
I hate them so much. A bunch of bazinga shitheads just drop-shipped them all over the country to colonize and monetize one of the last remaining public spaces.
Anyone know where the tracker on those bad boys are? Asking for a friend...
My friend had some ideas on repurposing their motors...
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