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[-] pseudonym@monyet.cc 130 points 1 month ago
[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That was some seriously cringe slogan.

But how was this ever enough to justify voting for the guy who has no morality, cheats and bullshits his way through everything, selects his entourage based on loyalty over competence, divides the country through purposefully polarizing statements and filed for bankruptcies 6 times, 5 of which were casinos? And that was what we knew before he was elected.

That's just showing how superficial a lot of the voter base really is.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

No. It shows how bad a candidate she was. People love reform candidates for a reason: Washington is so dirty, and our interests are not corporate interests. Centrist Democrats inspire leftist voters to stay home or vote third party.

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[-] joekar1990@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

My two cents: The average American has a literacy rate of 7th-8th grade and not only does Trump talk to that level he also repeats things constantly so people can remember it. Couple that with all conservative biased media constantly blasting the same messages people believe Trump was looking out for them. Compare to Hilary who has been painted as out of touch with voters and courting high value donors since Bill was president and the Bernie thing she needed to capture more independents but she didn't.

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[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 116 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I dislike the establishment left, but 2016 was one of the most propagandized, misinformation filled, and corrupt elections - in no way can it be considered an "easy election".

Hindsight is 20/20... The electorate sees no where near that well, and didn't at the time.

The truth is fascism and pseudo or proto fascism is never an easy thing to defeat, because it breaks the rules and can appeal to forces and parts of human nature that most politicians won't or can't run with. This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump - because they're appealing to powerful parts of human nature which are usually not spoken about in politics, let alone addressed directly.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Let's also remember that most people didn't REALLY think Trump had a chance in 2016, even most Republicans voting for him. If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest. He didn't even get the popular vote in the end. But nobody took his campaign seriously and counted on everybody else to turn out to make the obvious but boring choice.

In 2020, though, we had the highest turnout of eligible voters since 1920 (still an embarrassing 66.6%). The only reason that the turnout for 2020 was so high is because so many people were so eager to either maintain or end Trump's reign that people were charged up and went to the polls. The only realistic way that Trump doesn't win this time though is if everyone who was so charged in 2020 remains as charged this time, or a new bunch of voters, like newly eligible young voters, show up in droves... and I'm very concerned that that doesn't happen.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest.

Everyone needs to read and comprehend this. The number of people who didn't want Hillary or Trump was greater than the number of people who voted for them. But the system doesn't reward abstaining. Trying to make a statement by not voting only serves to reward the people who you are abstaining from. Fucking vote, people! Write a candidate in if you have to. Vote for your dog. But get off your asses and use the right that hundreds of thousands of people died to protect.

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I completely agree. Hillary was subject to non-stop manufactured scandals insinuating she was a complete criminal (Benghazi, the emails, etc.). Plus Trump successfully tapped into the "punish the libs" and "it's okay to be racist" contingents. It wasn't a great campaign, but to suggest that it should have been a cake walk for her is ridiculous.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

I agree with you that it wasn't a cakewalk, but the problem was she treated it like a cakewalk. She assumed she had it locked up, and ignored all polling that didn't support her landslide victory. She punished downticket candidates who didn't bend the knee by skipping their districts in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she assumed people would show up for her.

She ran a terrible campaign, kowtowing to the worst attacks, thinking it was politics as usual, acting like she was above the fray while she was face down in the mud getting stomped on.

She should have gone on the offensive. She should have presented a vision for a better America. She failed us all, and for that she deserves as much scorn as we can conjure.

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[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

It's easy to make her sound like a victim when you ignore the fact that she did everything in her power to rig the DNC primaries in her favor AND propped up Trump's early campaign as much as she could. The situation we find ourselves in is certainly not exclusively her fault but she definitely deserves more of the blame than any of us do. She set the board exactly how she wanted and still couldn't win the game.

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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

the establishment left

Real interesting way to refer to the center-right.

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[-] constantturtleaction@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago

Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn't a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

Worst of all, they acted like trump was a real candidate, and handed him the unlimited exposure he needed to build a cult.

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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

She had completely hijacked the entire democratic party and pulled an assload of shady shit while she was running in order to stay on top. And then she goes into the debates with Trump and acts like she's some insipid Susie fucking homemaker. She even had one of her idiots feed her questions beforehand and managed to still fuck it up.

Her big mistake IMO is in not being her bitch ass self and wrecking that fat pompous dipshit on the debate stage. I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn't see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast. So yeah, she lost that shit all by her self by not being herself.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast

Forbidden AI prompt

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 18 points 1 month ago

The Republicans knew exactly how to defang her. They kept going on and on about "mean Hillary" so the fucking fresh poli sci college grads decided hey let's make her more likeable and friendly! Of course that played directly into their plan to make her seem weak.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Yeah she should have ignored the fucking Republicans and just leaned straight into it. She would have looked sharp as fucking knives compared to Trump's dull-witted lunacy talk.

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[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?

Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.

Edit: I am getting a significant amount of replies saying that I'm being mean to Hillary. To be clear, I'm not dogging on her. She did her best. I'm upset at the Democratic party for putting her against Trump. She lacks charisma, it's not her fault.

[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

Spoiler: Both are Right Wing parties, so they represent the establishment, not the people or progressive ideals.

We need Ranked Choice Voting so we can vote our conscience and ideals and stop being forced into a lose-lose situation every election.

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[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

What don't you understand about it was her turn?

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[-] IMongoose@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago

It didn't help that two weeks before the election the director of the FBI was like "I think we should investigate her lol"

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 39 points 1 month ago

And then took it back two days after the election. I wonder what James Comey makes of himself in hindsight.

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[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

I mean.. I voted for her.. I tried to convince others. I'm cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC..

She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn't bounce back with wall st, yet "took a risk on a black guy" and got burned by "intellectual corporate Democrats"

She never set foot in states she didn't have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago

If you're still talking about Clinton, you're why we got Trump instead of Sanders and I hate you for it.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

While she's not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey's investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.

In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey's investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago

You know whose fault this is? Trump's.

There's a million liberals and leftists who made mistakes. But ultimately, Trump and his supporters are adults and they are the ones most to blame for what they've done. Not liking Hillary didn't force anybody to vote for Trump; that was a choice they made.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

If we didn't have the archaic Electoral College system, she would have won. She won the popular vote by millions.

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bernie would have won if the DNC wasn't so heavily focused on it being her "turn". And then it was Joes "turn" after that. Bernie was the only person Trump was afraid of.

Not saying you're wrong or anything. Just adding to it.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago

This wasn't true about Biden. The establishment didn't care who won that primary, as long as it wasn't Bernie. I think Harris was their first choice, but they flipped to Biden when she tanked.

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[-] aramis87@fedia.io 34 points 1 month ago

Why the eff is everyone here letting James Comey off the hook? The guy who ignored DoJ instructions on not doing anything that night interfere in an election in the 90 days beforehand, and deliberately held a press conference just days before the election to say that Hilary was still under investigation, then 'cleared' her shortly after it?

The MAGAts who were pissed about a black President were never going to vote for a woman, but that Comey presser gave enough doubts to swing the election. And he conveniently 'forgot' to mention that Trump and several of his people were also under investigation. Fuck Comey.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Comey didn't inform the public. He informed congress who then leaked it to public and Comey only came forward to adress the media after they spread the leak.

Admittedly he should have also informed congress that Trump was also under investigation for colluding with a foreign state with credible evidence against him, but the FBI won't reveal ongoing investigations unless Congress orders them to.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.

She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.

She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Fuckin rich assholes need to get the fuck out of our govt

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago

Claiming that was the easiest election in history discounts the fact that just under half the voting public didn't respect a very-experienced politician with a history of pro-people causes and perseverance; they wanted the man with no experience and scandals buzzing around him like flies.

Don't hate the player.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

UK citizen here. Already had 3 women prime ministers.

It wasn't that Hilary was a woman, simply she was more dislikable than Liz Truss and seemed to put nothing out to convince people to vote for her. It wasn't clear at all what she stood for or what her platform was.

It came across as entitled and like she took the electorate for granted. No matter how great or good you think you are, or how bad your rival is, you still have to ask the electorate to lend you their vote.

[-] Rookwood@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

She stood for literally nothing. Just like Biden. And the DNC was caught cheating during the early primaries to thwart Bernie. Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020. At least they didn't actively commit fraud like in 2016 I guess.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

She stood for the corporatist democrats. Hillary is, in my mind, the very avatar of the corporatist democrats. I will never forget Bernie going to attent picket lines while Hillary was attending $10,000/seat dinners. I ended up holding my nose and voting for her in the end, because a shitty Democrat on their worst day is still better than Trump. Anyway, I voted for her, so all this high minded "she was right" rhetoric just pisses me off even worse, tbh.

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[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago

almost as if the people who chose to not show up for her were the type of people who would feel disenfranchised by the primary process that crowned her as the candidate before they voted.

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[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

Didn't she say something like "can't we just drone him" in reference to assange?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

She also questioned why we would let Palestine have an election without first determining who the winner would be...

Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said "I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win."

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Recording-released-of-Clinton-suggesting-rigging-2006-Palestinian-election-471129

Hillary is/was a terrible candidate and person.

But she's always claimed the only reason anyone wouldn't like her is because of conservative propaganda.

She did a lot to get us to the current point where anything except 100% loyalty to the party leads to someone being accused of being a Republican.

Same road republicans went down.

And our standards for Dem candidates has nosedived just like Republicans did. They just have a head start

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[-] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago
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[-] Wanderer@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

I think all the people saying they are voting for her because she is a women and everyone should vote for her or you are a sexist didn't help.

She just seemed so unlikable and entitled.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago

"Get over yourself"

Fuck off Hillary

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

She did win the popular vote, by millions. But the good ol' I Wanna Keep Mah Slaves Electoral College handed it to an overgrown 10 year old.

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