She wasn't right about a lot of things, specially relating to the Middle East. Misguided at best, malicious at worst when it comes to the Middle East.
She did win the popular vote, by millions. But the good ol' I Wanna Keep Mah Slaves Electoral College handed it to an overgrown 10 year old.
At this point anyone relitigating 2016 is fart sniffing. Nobody cares that you hate Clinton and nobody cares if you love her. Nothing good can possibly come from picking that scab over and over again, so either just move on, or preferably, put that energy into something productive, like community outreach, organizing or local politics.
She had completely hijacked the entire democratic party and pulled an assload of shady shit while she was running in order to stay on top. And then she goes into the debates with Trump and acts like she's some insipid Susie fucking homemaker. She even had one of her idiots feed her questions beforehand and managed to still fuck it up.
Her big mistake IMO is in not being her bitch ass self and wrecking that fat pompous dipshit on the debate stage. I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn't see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast. So yeah, she lost that shit all by her self by not being herself.
the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast
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Fuck Trump, a rapist, a liar, a thief, a narcissitic piece of shit. And fuck his daddy Putin, too.
The Republicans knew exactly how to defang her. They kept going on and on about "mean Hillary" so the fucking fresh poli sci college grads decided hey let's make her more likeable and friendly! Of course that played directly into their plan to make her seem weak.
Yeah she should have ignored the fucking Republicans and just leaned straight into it. She would have looked sharp as fucking knives compared to Trump's dull-witted lunacy talk.
I mean.. I voted for her.. I tried to convince others. I'm cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC..
She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn't bounce back with wall st, yet "took a risk on a black guy" and got burned by "intellectual corporate Democrats"
She never set foot in states she didn't have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.
I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.
She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.
She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.
running a bad candidate on the basis of them not being Trump appears to be the Democrat strategy for as long as Trump continues breathing.
Tbh, the people who voted for Trump deserve at least some of the blame. I really do not like this idea that either campaign waved or failed to wave some magic wand to remove the individual agency of voters. The decision to vote for Trump was colossally idiotic, and very easy to not make.
Pokemon go to the polls
That was some seriously cringe slogan.
But how was this ever enough to justify voting for the guy who has no morality, cheats and bullshits his way through everything, selects his entourage based on loyalty over competence, divides the country through purposefully polarizing statements and filed for bankruptcies 6 times, 5 of which were casinos? And that was what we knew before he was elected.
That's just showing how superficial a lot of the voter base really is.
I dislike the establishment left, but 2016 was one of the most propagandized, misinformation filled, and corrupt elections - in no way can it be considered an "easy election".
Hindsight is 20/20... The electorate sees no where near that well, and didn't at the time.
The truth is fascism and pseudo or proto fascism is never an easy thing to defeat, because it breaks the rules and can appeal to forces and parts of human nature that most politicians won't or can't run with. This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump - because they're appealing to powerful parts of human nature which are usually not spoken about in politics, let alone addressed directly.
Let's also remember that most people didn't REALLY think Trump had a chance in 2016, even most Republicans voting for him. If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest. He didn't even get the popular vote in the end. But nobody took his campaign seriously and counted on everybody else to turn out to make the obvious but boring choice.
In 2020, though, we had the highest turnout of eligible voters since 1920 (still an embarrassing 66.6%). The only reason that the turnout for 2020 was so high is because so many people were so eager to either maintain or end Trump's reign that people were charged up and went to the polls. The only realistic way that Trump doesn't win this time though is if everyone who was so charged in 2020 remains as charged this time, or a new bunch of voters, like newly eligible young voters, show up in droves... and I'm very concerned that that doesn't happen.
If we didn't have the archaic Electoral College system, she would have won. She won the popular vote by millions.
Bernie would have won if the DNC wasn't so heavily focused on it being her "turn". And then it was Joes "turn" after that. Bernie was the only person Trump was afraid of.
Not saying you're wrong or anything. Just adding to it.
This wasn't true about Biden. The establishment didn't care who won that primary, as long as it wasn't Bernie. I think Harris was their first choice, but they flipped to Biden when she tanked.
Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn't a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.
Worst of all, they acted like trump was a real candidate, and handed him the unlimited exposure he needed to build a cult.
How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?
Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.
Edit: I am getting a significant amount of replies saying that I'm being mean to Hillary. To be clear, I'm not dogging on her. She did her best. I'm upset at the Democratic party for putting her against Trump. She lacks charisma, it's not her fault.
Spoiler: Both are Right Wing parties, so they represent the establishment, not the people or progressive ideals.
We need Ranked Choice Voting so we can vote our conscience and ideals and stop being forced into a lose-lose situation every election.
Didn't she say something like "can't we just drone him" in reference to assange?
She also questioned why we would let Palestine have an election without first determining who the winner would be...
Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said "I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win."
Hillary is/was a terrible candidate and person.
But she's always claimed the only reason anyone wouldn't like her is because of conservative propaganda.
She did a lot to get us to the current point where anything except 100% loyalty to the party leads to someone being accused of being a Republican.
Same road republicans went down.
And our standards for Dem candidates has nosedived just like Republicans did. They just have a head start
I don't think it was a particularly easy election. A majority of the people I know (which isn't much admittedly) protest voted. Most thought her win was inevitable. I bet my friend in February that If it was Drumpf/Clinton, Drumpf would win. If so many people didn't feel burned by her being picked over Sanders, she would have won electoral and popular.
"Get over yourself"
Fuck off Hillary
It didn't help that two weeks before the election the director of the FBI was like "I think we should investigate her lol"
And then took it back two days after the election. I wonder what James Comey makes of himself in hindsight.
While she's not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey's investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.
In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey's investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017
If you're still talking about Clinton, you're why we got Trump instead of Sanders and I hate you for it.
You know whose fault this is? Trump's.
There's a million liberals and leftists who made mistakes. But ultimately, Trump and his supporters are adults and they are the ones most to blame for what they've done. Not liking Hillary didn't force anybody to vote for Trump; that was a choice they made.
I'm not sure any other election had so much foreign interference, so maybe not as easy as you think.
It's never a neoliberal's fault when they lose.
Yup. Hillary is too corrupt. Had Biden ran instead, he would have won back then when he wasn't senile.
Why the eff is everyone here letting James Comey off the hook? The guy who ignored DoJ instructions on not doing anything that night interfere in an election in the 90 days beforehand, and deliberately held a press conference just days before the election to say that Hilary was still under investigation, then 'cleared' her shortly after it?
The MAGAts who were pissed about a black President were never going to vote for a woman, but that Comey presser gave enough doubts to swing the election. And he conveniently 'forgot' to mention that Trump and several of his people were also under investigation. Fuck Comey.
People tweeting stuff. We allow tweets from anyone.
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