I hate the tribalism regarding Apple products. There are loyal fanboys who won’t hear a bad word about Apple, and then there are Apple haters who criticise everything about them.

I wish we had some more nuance in this debate. The reality is that there are advantages and disadvantages to Apple products. I’ll outline a few:

Advantages

• Long iOS support. Typically you can expect an iPhone to be supported for 5-7 years, which is well above the average in the industry.
• No bloatware or adverts on the iPhone
• Better privacy than Google Android/Microsoft Windows
• High-end hardware, e.g. M1 chip in MacBooks.
• User friendly design. Nice user experience.

Disadvantages

• Overpriced. Seriously all Apple products are more expensive than the competition.
• Anti-consumer business practices that influence the industry. They normalised removing the headphone jack and using non-removable batteries, which other manufacturers followed. Another anti-consumer practice is using their proprietary Lighting port, rather than USB (luckily the EU should be forcing them to adopt USB-C and removable batteries soon). Also, no SD card slot because they want you to use iCloud
• Walled garden. No support for side-loading apps
• Required to use iTunes to add/remove music to the iPhone, which is a problem if you use Linux (you’d have to use Wine to install the Windows version as a workaround)

Wasn't Rossman's whole point that people that clowning on others for buying Apple instead of clowning on Apple is aiding Apple anyway?

If Apple get away with it, Samsung'll do it. So will Huawei, and Google, and Motorola. Apple users are not good punching bags

This fight about whether owning an android device or an Apple device having any morality associated with it at all is stupid.

Change my mind

I also think it’s interesting how many people are trying to de-google their lives but still simp for android. One reason I like Apple is because they jealously guard my data and don’t sell it.

Rossmann was a lot better before he realized he could use his platform as a soapbox for weird right-libertarian politics. No, Louis, I didn’t come here to hear you rant about how much you have to pay in taxes, I want to know how you solved the problem of no power on this MacBook.

I also don’t get why he refuses to have accurate descriptions on his videos so they can actually be found when searching instead of having to skip through the videos to see, and instead just spams his parts store and a million other things on every video.

I had a chance to train with him, but went with Jessa at iPad Rehab instead, and I’m glad, because her class was an actual class plus dozens of hours of practical work, compared to Louis’s “come over to my shop for like 2 hours after we close and I’ll kinda just give you crap to do while bitching at you if you don’t understand my ineffectual explanations” that I’ve heard his class is from multiple people who took it.

Bought Asus laptop, just 1.5 year later the product is discontinued and no support page can be found. They also stopped selling the charging brick for it.

Bought Sony headphones, a year later wanted to replace the foam. No customer support, no repair, just nada.

Bought Samsung phone. Filled to brim with bloat. Shows me ads on lockscreen. Crawling speed in 2 years. No updates.

Bought an iPhone for mom. Still getting updates after 4 years. Got battery replaced with no hassle.

Don't knock it till you try it.

Rossman has been spewing literal facts for years now.

I freely admit to being that sucker. In a weak moment during a Covid lockdown I bought an iPad Pro. Worst purchase ever. It's too heavy to use comfortably, the battery life is shit and the paucity of apps compared with my Android phone is ridiculous. Worst of all, it died suddenly less than 18 months after I bought it. It was replaced under consumer laws here, but still. I feel like an idiot for having bought it.

The only other Apple product I own is a 160GB iPod Classic, bought in 2007 and still going strong. Sturdy, good battery life, small size, decent interface, room for all my music. So of course it's no longer produced or supported.

I have no interest in changing an obviously uneducated opinion.

I’ll continue to enjoy my iPhone, my development MacBook Pro, my Windows gaming rig, my Linux server, and everything else that I choose to buy because I use all of it, happily every day.

I’m convinced people who post these haven’t actually used apple devices seriously without going into it with their superiority complex. the fluidity and peace of mind not having to find fucking drivers for some shit from 2004 that have long been consumed by time it just plugs in and works. Or the fact that for instance a MacBook comes with everything you need to say decompress a file without downloading winrar or 7zip it’s built in. The apple version of ms office comes with the device. Not to mention the software being specifically written for the hardware means i haven’t had a day ruining crash in so long i can’t remember. Not having God damn ads on my desktop you gotta be kidding me. Text messages on all my devices. My mouse and keyboard on my mac can automatically control my iPad. Sure you can kinda do these things on the bootleg os’s kinda sorta but when it comes out of the box like that and i don’t have to fuck with 20 3rd party apps and ads on everything is 10000% worth it to me.

Been using Android for over a decade now. With the recent removal of 3.5mm jacks, I had to look into usb-c to 3.5mm adapters, because I prefer using my wired IEMs.

It turns out the apple usb-c to 3.5mm adapter is actually top notch, and only costs $9. Plenty of folks use that as an upgrade for their computers built in soundboard, because the digital to analog converter on the adapter is excellent and superior to most built in soundboards.

After over a decade on Android I'm going to switch to an iPhone for my next phone (once they go USB c). I have always bought flag ship Android phones and I haven't been impressed lately. Awful customer service from Google with my latest Pixel 6 was the last straw. I don't mind playing extra to make sure I have a working phone

A 14 year old girl once tried to berate me for having an android versus her iPhone. I asked her why her iPhone was so much better thsn my android? She didn't have a response. I told her that I had an iPhone, and found it inflexible and frustrating to use. It's overpriced and boring..

She didn't really understand what I was getting at, and why ear buds or blue text bubbles weren't important to me.

Facts! They buy simply to show off the logo and demonstrate they can afford to hang in a walled garden.

Edit: iPhones are more "private and secure" out of the box, but it literally takes half a brain with 5 minutes in Android settings to surpass this LOW bar.

I buy Fairphone!

The people who killed the headphone jack...

The iPad is great for art so I would mostly agree except for some things

I'm an android user and have been from the start.

However, I have tiny ears, so I can't really use those in-ear earbuds that are common now. I did some research and frequently at the top of the lists for open earbuds that are Bluetooth are the...you might need to sit down for this...airpods. Yes, I know, crazy.

So here I am with airpods and a pixel 7. And they work great for $100 which isn't a crazy price compared to earbuds from companies like Google or Sony. Yes, most Apple stuff is overpriced, but they make good hardware, and I wish fanboys would stop making everything so black and white.

That's why all mine are hand-me-downs. My family are the suckers.

Louis has stated many times that shitting on consumers for buying Apple products is not productive.

I ended up buying a Pixel 7 and slapping EndeavourOS Linux on all of my laptops and PC's in the spur of the moment because I was sick of Windows and was not a fan of Apple. I dont regret it at all. I also grabbed a steam deck recently and I love it. Its so nice to not have to deal with the absolute bullshit that both microsoft and apple force you to go through. I have full control over my device and what goes in it. It's quite nice.

Hi, I have an iPhone and like it because it's the best device for my needs and Android doesn't have a critical app I use, and workarounds on Android break things. My case is rare, I admit, but it's true. I would happily switch to a Pixel once that app's available on Android.

Assuming that just because I buy a company's products means I like everything they do is an awfully Rossmanny take though. I like the guy well enough but the blanket statements on things where he doesn't consider any reasoning other than his worldview absolutely frustrates me.

But the same can be said for some Apple fanboys. The absolute foaming at the mouth when some people get a green text message blaming the customer for buying an Android phone rather than thinking about Apple's lack of interest in industry standards absolutely baffles me.

Android has many issues with privacy that don't apply to iOS. While you can degoogle Android, some services don't work as well and some apps won't be available at all.

And hey, maybe that's okay with you! Maybe your phone isn't as big of an extension of your digital life as it is mine. Maybe it is, but you can get by on exclusively FOSS apps. I think all of that is fantastic, but I am not you, and you are not me, and I think the real sucker is the one who's sowing division amongst people over how they use their personal devices.